Morganti and Selvas

[jinxedtwice]

Hello. My Italian great grandparents Abbondio Morganti and Elvira Selvas emmigrated to Argentina in the late 1800's. Two Children were born in Buenos Aires. Maria Morganti in 1873 and her brother Frances Morganti in 1875. The family then went to England around 1880.
How can I obtain birth certificates from Argentina or any information which might ultimately tell me what part of Italy they came from? Thank you.

[Tessa78]

Hello and welcome

On Family Search Site for Argentina Vital Records Index (free)
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Argent ... Records%29

Found baptism of Maria Morganti
Name: Maria Morgandi
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 31 Aug 1874
Baptism/Christening Place: Buenos Aires, Distrito Federal, Argentina
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Abondio Morgandi
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elvira Selva
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Paternal Grandfather's Name:
Paternal Grandmother's Name:
Maternal Grandfather's Name:
Maternal Grandmother's name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: G01006-0
System Origin: Argentina-EASy
Source Film Number: 611196
Reference Number: cn 926
Collection: Argentina Baptisms,1645-1930

T.

[Tessa78]

I also found this Argentina National Census listing...
Don't know if it's relevant, but thought I would pass it along...
Found it at this site beta.familysearch.org (also free)

Name: Abundio Murganti
Residence: Sección 16ª, Distrito Federal, Buenos Aires, Argentina
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: 1848
Province of Birth:
Nationality: Italia
Gender: Varón
Marital Status: Soltero
Film Number: 677648
Digital Folder Number: 4326411

Image for above
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5317 ... census.jpg

I think it states that the above "Abundio Murganti" was single. Could he and Elvira Selvas have married in Argentina?

T.

[Tessa78]

This COULD be the baptism of "Frances Morganti"

Name: Florabante Gabriel Murganti
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 02 Oct 1875
Baptism/Christening Place: San Telmo, Distrito Federal, Argentina
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Abundi Muraganti
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Eloisa Silva
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Paternal Grandfather's Name:
Paternal Grandmother's Name:
Maternal Grandfather's Name:
Maternal Grandmother's name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: G00929-9
System Origin: Argentina-EASy
Source Film Number: 1096775
Reference Number: cn 533

T.

[Tessa78]

A link to information on "San Telmo" where Florabante was baptized...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Telmo

T.

[Tessa78]

Is that your Family Tree for Abbondio Morganti on Ancestry? Owner is "gibanks"...
Tree listed as Gervasi Dismore Family Tree...

T.

[jinxedtwice]

Hello Tessa 78. I notice on the Vital Records Index there is provision for more detailed information. Would this be obtainable or was it not always compulsory. I am not sure where Abbondio and Elvira were married. I don't have a subscription to Ancestry but as Abbondios brother was married to a Dismore, I believe that would be the same family. Thanks for your help.

[Tessa78]

Hello Tessa 78. I notice on the Vital Records Index there is provision for more detailed information. Would this be obtainable or was it not always compulsory. Thanks for your help.

The Index might be an abbreviated version of the record, but I'm not sure. I'm assuming the records are available to view by renting the microfilms through your local LDS (Mormon) Family History Center. They are located all over the world.

I found this listing for microfilms of the baptisms of catholics in San Telmo District (1813-1925). I'm guessing that is the same one listed for Florabante's baptism.

Here is the link to the film information...
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... rroquiales++

To find your nearest FHC scroll to bottom of this link
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/

T.

[Tessa78]

On the Family Tree on Ancestry there are a few documents referenced. Do you have/want the England Censuses? There is a marriage document (banns?) for Lawrence Morganti and Sophia Dismore where Lawrence lists his father's name as "Collard Morganti", occupation - farmer. Collard could have been a misspelling of Carlo, Calogero, Colombano, etc.

I can try posting those here for you if you want them...

T.

[Tessa78]

Here are the 1881, 1891, and 1901 England Censuses...

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/644/ ... rganti.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9247/1 ... rganti.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3436/1 ... rganti.jpg

Marriage banns for Lawrence Morganti and Sophia Dismore 1873
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1254/1 ... gantil.jpg

Death Index for Abbondio in 1929
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/293/19 ... rganti.jpg

Lawrence died in 1898 according to the Family Tree...
His wife Sophia died in 1895.

T.

[jinxedtwice]

I have the UK Census but the marriage banns were interesting. I am really trying to get information that will help me find the parents of Abbondio and Elvira. I will try the FHC tomorrow.

[soniamaria]

Maria Morganti & Alfred Sired are my great grandparents.
Would love too know if you are Elvira Elizabeth May Sired's daughter? - (jinxedtwice)
Thanks Sonia Maria

[Tessa78]

Related thread at this link:
http://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/topic23498.html

T.

[agenbyte]

Hello jinxed! Do you know any more about Frances?

He emigrated to North Tonawanda, NY, USA from London in 1893 to work for a band organ manufacturer
named Eugene de Kleist. This is my home city and I have been researching
The musical instrument trade.

Family legend says Frank emigrated without telling
His parents. When the body of a similarly-aged boy
Was discovered not long after in the Thames,
It is said, the family held a funeral. The story winds up that
frank eventually paid for the funeral.

Would be exceedingly grateful for any confirmation or denial.

Have a few pics of him you may be interested in.

[jinxedtwice]

Hello agenbyte,
Yes, I do have this information about Francis (Frank). I have a few photos but would be interested in the ones you have. Are you related to the Morganti family?