1948 Case with Luigi Paiano

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Re: 1948 Case with Luigi Paiano

Post by lssbdf9193 » 21 Sep 2018, 04:17

gomezzandrea, at the risk of sounding sarcastic:

why not get them yourself? I've been going at this from early 2012. Do you have their birthplaces? Do you know their full names? Do you know their parents' names?

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Re: 1948 Case with Luigi Paiano

Post by drei » 23 Sep 2018, 22:13

gomezzandrea wrote:
13 Sep 2018, 11:29
Hi Everyone,

I've been in touch with Luigi Paiano and he said I have a case. However, I do not have my great grandparents birth certificates and was wondering if anyone knew of somebody in Italy that I could hire to manage this for me.

Kind regards,

Andrea
I had a fantastic experience with Joe De Simone - though I believe he's solely focused on Southern Italy. He quoted me at 4 weeks and had scans in my inbox in three days.

http://www.italiangenealogypro.com/

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Re: 1948 Case with Luigi Paiano

Post by MMB1980 » 25 Sep 2018, 18:58

Hi, all! I'm helping my husband and his mom pursue a 1948 case with attorney Massimiliano Castellari. I've managed to get all the paperwork together (they are getting the GGF's birth and marriage records in Italy) - via his mom's line, the breakdown is:

GGF Antonio Giacomini (naturalized 1917)

GM Esther (Giacomini) Bertoni (born 1911)

M Lois (Bertoni) Brookes (born 1945)

My husband, Tom

All documents come from the state of NJ.

Since many of you are pursuing similar cases, I wanted to ask a logistical question (because I can't seem to get a quick hold of Massimiliano): I know I need to obtain translations of the documents, but does that include the Naturalization record? I have read both yes and no, and want to make sure we aren't spending unnecessarily (but also don't want to miss a step!). Also, is the apostille only necessary on the English versions, with just notarized/ certified translation? Or is it necessary to get Apostilles on both language versions?

Thanks in advance!!! Excited to get this finally moving forward - I have been at it since late 2016!

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Re: 1948 Case with Luigi Paiano

Post by jennabet » 05 Oct 2018, 13:43

You would need an apostille for every document that was created outside of Italy. Just the document, not the translation of the document. Also, the Naturalization record does not need to be translated nor does it need an apostille. This is because the Naturalization certificate is a Federal document instead of a state document, like a birth, marriage or death certificate which the Secretary of State can give an apostille.

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Re: 1948 Case with Luigi Paiano

Post by arrigo » 07 Oct 2018, 20:25

Federal documents can be easily apostilled by the US Department of State's Office of Authentications. My lawyer asked for everything from USCIS to be apostilled and translated. As for translations, either you can pay a lot to an Italian translator for a "sworn translation," or you can have an American translator do it, attach a notarized "certification statement" to the front of the translation, and then apostille that packet. Works either way for the court for 1948 case. The latter will likely be less expensive, depending on the cost of your translator and the apostille in their state of residence.

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Re: 1948 Case with Luigi Paiano

Post by sjazz » 28 Oct 2018, 11:00

Hi All,
Would appreciate any thoughts or advice as I am also looking to pursue a 1948 case with Mr Paiano, and have received very preliminary advice from him in a few email exchanges. The main hurdle I have at the moment is locating my grandfather's naturalisation papers in NJ in order to prove that I am ineligible to obtain citizenship vis the normal route. Would appreciate any thoughts on the following situation:

1. Grandfather born 1887 in Puglia
2. Grandfather immigrated to US in 1896 - lived in NJ/Hudson County
3. Father born 1926
4. found 1910 Federal census online in which my GREAT grandfather was indicated to be naturalised ('Na') but my grandfather's line item was blank - so I assume not naturalised.
5. 1915 NJ census found online in which my grandfather then indicted 'Na', so naturalised by that point. This was also backed up by a WWI draft card found online in which he indicated he was naturalised

So I have assumed he was naturalised between 1910 and 1915, but so far no luck in locating this.

I paid for a USCIS search and they said they found no records (they used both his Italian first name and his name in the US).

I have sent off a search request to the County Clerk's office in the county he lived in to see if they have anything.

Does anyone have any other suggestions of where I could look? I was surprised that USCIS had no record given the date range I was looking at. My only other thought is that perhaps the 1910 census had the wrong information, in which I somehow have to figure out if my grandfather was naturalised before that, perhaps when my great-grandfather naturalised.

One other question - if I find that my great grandfather was naturalised and can locate that, do you think that would be sufficient if it was shown to be before my grandfather was 18?

Thoughts much appreciated! Many thanks.

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Re: 1948 Case with Luigi Paiano

Post by Barga1948 » 09 Nov 2018, 19:19

Hi everyone! After some extremely painful hair pulling dealing with bureaucratic delays from the government of Venezuela, they finally issued 2 needed apostilles to 2 remaining marriage certificates that were needed.

Today, Luigi has informed me that the first of two processes has been filed with the court in Rome. We are a large group, so Luigi had to split it into two cases. He also informed me that the second will be filed shortly. Does anyone know how I can track it on my PC? The link I found in the forum doesn’t lead anywhere.

This is a quest that we have been working on for almost 11 years to get to this point.

In the next days I WILL be listing the sequence of events of my quest in hope that someone out there thinking of quitting theirs can see/measure their own quest against the insanely difficult one I have had so far.

Emiro

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Re: 1948 Case with Luigi Paiano

Post by arrigo » 10 Nov 2018, 18:43

If you have the court case number, you can download the Giustizia Civile app on your smartphone and track it via Tribunale Ordinario di Roma, Contenzioso Civile, Ruolo Generale search option. Unfortunately the website has been down for "maintenance" for about a year!

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Re: 1948 Case with Luigi Paiano

Post by manu » 12 Nov 2018, 14:40

Barga1948 wrote:
09 Nov 2018, 19:19
Hi everyone! After some extremely painful hair pulling dealing with bureaucratic delays from the government of Venezuela, they finally issued 2 needed apostilles to 2 remaining marriage certificates that were needed.

Today, Luigi has informed me that the first of two processes has been filed with the court in Rome. We are a large group, so Luigi had to split it into two cases. He also informed me that the second will be filed shortly. Does anyone know how I can track it on my PC? The link I found in the forum doesn’t lead anywhere.

This is a quest that we have been working on for almost 11 years to get to this point.

In the next days I WILL be listing the sequence of events of my quest in hope that someone out there thinking of quitting theirs can see/measure their own quest against the insanely difficult one I have had so far.

Emiro
Mucha suerte mi pana :)

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