Does US Naturalization of Ancestor Disqualify Us?
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Does US Naturalization of Ancestor Disqualify Us?
Hello,
We are trying to get citizenship through my wife's father's line. Her grandfather Domenico emigrated to the US in 1913, my wife's father Philip was born in 1922, and Domenico naturalized in 1923. So all good there.
But, the naturalization form that Domenico signed states that, "I renounce absolutely and forever all allegiances and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, and particularly to King Emmanuele III of Italy..."
Does that statement disqualify his descendants from Italian citizenship? It seems like everyone seeking US citizenship at that time was required to sign such a statement.
Document is attached - just the right side is relevant.
Thank you all for the help, we really appreciate it.
We are trying to get citizenship through my wife's father's line. Her grandfather Domenico emigrated to the US in 1913, my wife's father Philip was born in 1922, and Domenico naturalized in 1923. So all good there.
But, the naturalization form that Domenico signed states that, "I renounce absolutely and forever all allegiances and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, and particularly to King Emmanuele III of Italy..."
Does that statement disqualify his descendants from Italian citizenship? It seems like everyone seeking US citizenship at that time was required to sign such a statement.
Document is attached - just the right side is relevant.
Thank you all for the help, we really appreciate it.
Joe Zizzo - New York
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Re: Does US Naturalization of Ancestor Disqualify Us?
Since your wife's father was born before her grandfather naturalized, she is eligible. You will also be eligible, but will have to pass B1 Italian Language testing to get citizenship yourself.
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Yes I know that, thank you, the language thing wont be a problem.
But what about the statement renouncing allegiance to Italy? Ive read that's a deal breaker, but I'm not sure if this what is meant by renouncing Italian citizenship.
But what about the statement renouncing allegiance to Italy? Ive read that's a deal breaker, but I'm not sure if this what is meant by renouncing Italian citizenship.
Joe Zizzo - New York
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It does not apply since your Wife's Father was born before he Naturalized.bitterbatter wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021, 18:52 Yes I know that, thank you, the language thing wont be a problem.
But what about the statement renouncing allegiance to Italy? Ive read that's a deal breaker, but I'm not sure if this what is meant by renouncing Italian citizenship.
As well, there is the 1912 rule, which does not apply either, regardless you have a clear path forward.
You can read ICA's explanation below if that helps:
https://italiancitizenshipassistance.co ... turalized/
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Ah, got it , thank you. Very helpful.
Joe Zizzo - New York
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My father was born in the U.S. before his Sicilian-born father was naturalized as a U.S. citizen.
Does that mean I'm eligible for Italian citizenship but I would have to pass an Italian language test?
If yes, is it written or oral?
Does that mean I'm eligible for Italian citizenship but I would have to pass an Italian language test?
If yes, is it written or oral?
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Yes, you are eligible. You will have to prove this of course with supporting documentation.darkerhorse wrote: ↑26 Feb 2021, 01:33 My father was born in the U.S. before his Sicilian-born father was naturalized as a U.S. citizen.
Does that mean I'm eligible for Italian citizenship but I would have to pass an Italian language test?
If yes, is it written or oral?
If you have a spouse, that is interested in obtaining Italian Citizenship, they will have to pass the B1 Level Language test to obtain it, this is not a requirement for the person claiming jure sanguinis, I'm including my Brother and Mother in my petition for example, neither of them can speak Italian nor is it required they do. My spouse however, will have to pass the test to get it through me. We are both in the process of learning Italian however...
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You may see the program for the certificate of knowledge of italian at this link :
(hoping it works)
https://plida.it/certificazione-plida/1 ... plida.html
(hoping it works)
https://plida.it/certificazione-plida/1 ... plida.html
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This certification is issued by the Società Dante Alighieri, the University of Siena, the University of Perugia.
Re: Does US Naturalization of Ancestor Disqualify Us?
This certification is issued by the Società Dante Alighieri, the University of Siena, the University of Perugia.
https://plida.it/phocadownload/PDF/Nuov ... 200215.pdf
https://plida.it/phocadownload/PDF/Nuov ... 200215.pdf
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Yes that is the Certificate. We plan on taking the test through the San Francisco Consulate at some point.
Link below goes into more detail as well:
https://www.italiandualcitizenship.net/ ... rtificate/
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I have my grandfather's actual naturalization certificate and I can get a copy of my father's birth certificate.
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I also have a copy of my grandfather's birth record from Sicily and his death certificate from the US. His mother's surname is misspelled on his death certificate. I'm sure I could get other documents to corroborate.
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I just processed my Grandfather's misspelled first name on his Birth Certificate, since he is deceased, a court order was required to correct it. I hired a lawyer that had the petition drafted and approved by a Judge in less than a month, so don't let that be of much concern. Surname's can complicate things as well, but again with records a court order can fix that as well.
Be sure to have (if you already do not) the long form Birth and Marriage records, just request "Dual Citizenship" when ordering these.
Be sure to have (if you already do not) the long form Birth and Marriage records, just request "Dual Citizenship" when ordering these.