Maybe my great grandfather is Italian, or French, or Argentinian?

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Maybe my great grandfather is Italian, or French, or Argentinian?

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I am looking for more information about my great grandfather Antonio Morghetti. My relatives say he was born in France, but his parents were Italian, but he got into a boat with his brother still young because he didn´t like to work for his parents. The boat arrived in Argentina and somehow he got married in Brazil.

So that´s the information I have so far.

Wife: Maria Scudeler (born in Susegana - Treviso - Italy)
Brother: Cassemiro Morguetto (death certificate states he was born in Paris - France and died Feb 6th 1965 in Brazil at age 89)

Marriage certificate states:
- Married in Botucatu - SP
- Date of marriage February 10th 1900
- Says he was from Argentina
- Parents Antonio Morghetti and Victoria Morghetti
- 22 years old

No death certificate so far

My grandmother death certificate states she was a daughter of Antonio Morghetti, born in France

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here the births marriages and deaths in Francazal from 1873 to 1882 and no one with the name of your ancestors:
https://archives.haute-garonne.fr/ark:/ ... tion=0.000
( the decade index of Francazal civil records are just 2 pages, so this birthplace is totally wrong)
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Is this him?
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If not, I'd check more lternate spellings for "Morghetti".
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Antonio Morghetti/Morguetti/Morguette went in Brasil and no in USA.
The data on the genealogic tree by familysearch are wrong.
Antonio don't was born in Francazal, France.
The poster said that Antonio married in Botucatu, SP, Brasil on 10 Feb 1900. By genealogic tree Antonio married in
Santa Cruz do Rio Pardo, SP, Brasil. The Arquidiocese is the same: Sant'Ana de Botucatu (Brasil)

I no found the church marriage by church records of Botucatu in the Jan/Feb 1900 and following months https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2177299
as a well in the church records of Santa Cruz do Rio Pardo
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2177299

Why is important to find the church marriage? To know the nationality, to know the surname spelling, maybe different, to know the parent's names, to know the "freguesia" the parish where he was baptized, and normally the freguesia means the birthplace...

Abt the surname I found some Morguetti in Argentina, and I followed the traces of one... the surname was mispelled as a well the maiden name of wife, "Guilardacci".. really the surnames was in italian spelling: Marchetti and Ghilarducci, both coming from Lucca, area, Tuscany, IT...

So by the provided infos without document proving the certainty of info, it is hard to find something.. lacking the arrival, lacking the church marriage records as a well of Casimiro, hoping to find something.. the death records are no much important because the infos abt the deceased are provided by relatives, or informants, instead on the church marriage records the infos are provided by the person, and in front to a priest , in front to God no one lied... So my advice is to search better the church record of marriage abt Antonio and Abt Casimiro also...
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STO CERCANDO I FIGLI O NIPOTI DI QUESTI DUE CONIUGI PARTITI DALL ITALIA PER L ARGENTINA QUALCUNO PU0' AIUTARMI ,
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suanj wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 09:00 Antonio Morghetti/Morguetti/Morguette went in Brasil and no in USA.
The data on the genealogic tree by familysearch are wrong.
Antonio don't was born in Francazal, France.
The poster said that Antonio married in Botucatu, SP, Brasil on 10 Feb 1900. By genealogic tree Antonio married in
Santa Cruz do Rio Pardo, SP, Brasil. The Arquidiocese is the same: Sant'Ana de Botucatu (Brasil)

I no found the church marriage by church records of Botucatu in the Jan/Feb 1900 and following months https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2177299
as a well in the church records of Santa Cruz do Rio Pardo
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2177299

Why is important to find the church marriage? To know the nationality, to know the surname spelling, maybe different, to know the parent's names, to know the "freguesia" the parish where he was baptized, and normally the freguesia means the birthplace...

Abt the surname I found some Morguetti in Argentina, and I followed the traces of one... the surname was mispelled as a well the maiden name of wife, "Guilardacci".. really the surnames was in italian spelling: Marchetti and Ghilarducci, both coming from Lucca, area, Tuscany, IT...

So by the provided infos without document proving the certainty of info, it is hard to find something.. lacking the arrival, lacking the church marriage records as a well of Casimiro, hoping to find something.. the death records are no much important because the infos abt the deceased are provided by relatives, or informants, instead on the church marriage records the infos are provided by the person, and in front to a priest , in front to God no one lied... So my advice is to search better the church record of marriage abt Antonio and Abt Casimiro also...
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So I got his marriage certificate where it states he was from Argentina
This is the link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zM1dq6 ... sp=sharing
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But the parents was italians? You can get the church marriage? Sometimes is mentioned the parent's birthplace...
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Currently this search is no possible, because needs to find Antonio sr birth and his marriage with Victoria, if married in Argentina or in Italy...
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Thanks for sharing!
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