How to or where do we go
Re: How to or where do we go
Did you noticed that in the draft Registration cards for that city there was just another Bavanese?
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Frank Bavanese
Name: Frank Bavanese
City: Not Stated
County: Washington
State: Pennsylvania
Birth Date: 20 Feb 1883
Race: White
Roll: 1926887
DraftBoard: 5
He lived at 310 Mc Kean? Charleroi,... married with Lilly Mae...
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I think this could be the 1920 census:
1920 United States Federal Census
about Frank Bovino
Name: Frank Bovino
[Frank Bornia]
Home in 1920: California, Washington, Pennsylvania
Age: 34 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
[abt 1883]
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Lillian M
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Image: 986
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Bovino 34 head
Lillian M Bovino 33 wife
Charles E Hess 15 stepson
William Hess 12 stepson
Jesse Hess 10 stepson
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Perhaps another relative?
I can't still understand the real last name....
Laura
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Re: How to or where do we go
I understand it is currently contrary to Italian law for a child to be given the same name as a parent (I can locate the document if anyone wants to see it...). Don't know if this (law) was the case in the period under consideration, but I believe the naming of Jr's was never an Italian tradition; the law may have been enacted recently in order to deal with the influx of other cultures.pink67 wrote:hi Vince and Tracy...
I found that Vavanese possible is not the right spell of the last name because in italy it doesn't exist....
Could it be Veronese???
I found an arrival manifest for a Salvatore Veronese, from Campofelice, age 11, travelling with his brother? Giuseppe joining their father Giuseppe Veronese in Pittsburg...
Re: How to or where do we go
Hi Laura & all,
You’re right the last name Vavonese is a challenge
Here’s Salvatore’s possible relatives
- Fortunato Vavonese wife & children manifest
Note: the children were born in Charleroi, Washington County, PA & have perhaps
the ’Americanized’ version of their surname
1911 manifest pg 1
page 2
14 Jun 1911 SS San Giorgio, Palermo to NY
Lines 2-4
Vincenza Calderone 28, abt 1883
Caterina Vavonese 6, abt 1905
Francesca Vavonese 2, abt 1909
- last residence Sicily Campofelice
- leaving no one in Campofelice
- destination California PA
- in US before in Charleroi & ??
- daughters are American
- joining husband/father Fortunato Vavonese at Box 1014 California PA
- Vincenza born in Campofelice
- Caterina & Francesca born in Charleroi PA
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Bavanesi?
Vincenza’s 1904 manifest
22 Sep 1904 SS Konigin Luise Naples to NY
Line 1
Vincenza Calderone 22
- married
- last residence Campofelice
- destination Pittsburgh
- joining husband Fortunato Bavanesi? At 5th Ave
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Maybe a clue in their children’s names? if they followed traditional naming patterns
1920 census
Home in 1920:
Second Street
California, Washington, Pennsylvania
Fortunato Vavonese 42
Vincenza Vavonese 37
Catherine Vavonese 14
Francis Vavonese 10
Angelo Vavonese 5
James Vavonese 4 10/12
Susie Vavonese 2 5/12
Jennie Vavonese 2/12
You’re right the last name Vavonese is a challenge
Here’s Salvatore’s possible relatives
- Fortunato Vavonese wife & children manifest
Note: the children were born in Charleroi, Washington County, PA & have perhaps
the ’Americanized’ version of their surname
1911 manifest pg 1
page 2
14 Jun 1911 SS San Giorgio, Palermo to NY
Lines 2-4
Vincenza Calderone 28, abt 1883
Caterina Vavonese 6, abt 1905
Francesca Vavonese 2, abt 1909
- last residence Sicily Campofelice
- leaving no one in Campofelice
- destination California PA
- in US before in Charleroi & ??
- daughters are American
- joining husband/father Fortunato Vavonese at Box 1014 California PA
- Vincenza born in Campofelice
- Caterina & Francesca born in Charleroi PA
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Bavanesi?
Vincenza’s 1904 manifest
22 Sep 1904 SS Konigin Luise Naples to NY
Line 1
Vincenza Calderone 22
- married
- last residence Campofelice
- destination Pittsburgh
- joining husband Fortunato Bavanesi? At 5th Ave
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Maybe a clue in their children’s names? if they followed traditional naming patterns
1920 census
Home in 1920:
Second Street
California, Washington, Pennsylvania
Fortunato Vavonese 42
Vincenza Vavonese 37
Catherine Vavonese 14
Francis Vavonese 10
Angelo Vavonese 5
James Vavonese 4 10/12
Susie Vavonese 2 5/12
Jennie Vavonese 2/12
Re: How to or where do we go
Morning everyone,
On Valarie's 1911 San Giorgio manifest find for Vincenza Calderone and children, does any else see the father's surname written as Veronese and then corrected to Vavonese on page 2? Notice the lighter strokes on the correction of the e to a and r to v.
Perhaps as Valarie suggested the name was corrupted on the children's Pennsylvania birth certificates and rather than try to make the correction later the family just kept the Vavonese surname.
Biff
On Valarie's 1911 San Giorgio manifest find for Vincenza Calderone and children, does any else see the father's surname written as Veronese and then corrected to Vavonese on page 2? Notice the lighter strokes on the correction of the e to a and r to v.
Perhaps as Valarie suggested the name was corrupted on the children's Pennsylvania birth certificates and rather than try to make the correction later the family just kept the Vavonese surname.
Biff
"Mintammicce impizzu mpizzu ca pue largu minne fazzu sule!"
Re: How to or where do we go
Hey Biff !
Good catch, the VE was changed to VA... on the 1911 manifest for the children. The second V does look odd too.
I couldn't read thru the name change Fortunato's 1901 manifest either!
1901 manifest
Here's another possible 'sounding out' of the name on this 1910 census
Fortunato & Vincenza Vavonese?
1910 census?
Home in 1910:
California Road
West Pike Run Twp, Washington, Pennsylvania
Head Tony Borena 33 IT
Wife Jenny Borena 28 IT
Daughter Catherine Borena 5 PA
Daughter Coreman Borena 3 PA
Daughter Frankie Borena 8/12 PA
Good catch, the VE was changed to VA... on the 1911 manifest for the children. The second V does look odd too.
I couldn't read thru the name change Fortunato's 1901 manifest either!
1901 manifest
Here's another possible 'sounding out' of the name on this 1910 census
Fortunato & Vincenza Vavonese?
1910 census?
Home in 1910:
California Road
West Pike Run Twp, Washington, Pennsylvania
Head Tony Borena 33 IT
Wife Jenny Borena 28 IT
Daughter Catherine Borena 5 PA
Daughter Coreman Borena 3 PA
Daughter Frankie Borena 8/12 PA
Re: How to or where do we go
This may be Salvatore's (Tom) 1910 census.
The surname is cut off on the image on ancestry.
I'll see if I can find it on HertiageQuest:
possible 1910 census
Name: Fom Bovenia
Age in 1910: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Home in 1910: Charleroi, Washington, Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
The surname is cut off on the image on ancestry.
I'll see if I can find it on HertiageQuest:
possible 1910 census
Name: Fom Bovenia
Age in 1910: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Home in 1910: Charleroi, Washington, Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Re: How to or where do we go
I searched for some time on the surname VAVONESE,
the Italian surname database
returned nada......I believe as stated before it is mistaken
as noted by Pink:
I found that Vavanese possible is not the right spell of the last name because in italy it doesn't exist....
Could it be VERONESE
wldspirit
the Italian surname database
returned nada......I believe as stated before it is mistaken
as noted by Pink:
I found that Vavanese possible is not the right spell of the last name because in italy it doesn't exist....
Could it be VERONESE
wldspirit
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Re: How to or where do we go
Laura, I think you may have another cluepink67 wrote:
Did you noticed that in the draft Registration cards for that city there was just another Bavanese?
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Frank Bavanese
Name: Frank Bavanese
City: Not Stated
County: Washington
State: Pennsylvania
Birth Date: 20 Feb 1883
Race: White
Roll: 1926887
DraftBoard: 5
He lived at 310 Mc Kean? Charleroi,... married with Lilly Mae...
[img=http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/3338 ... ar8.th.jpg]
I think this could be the 1920 census:
1920 United States Federal Census
about Frank Bovino
Name: Frank Bovino
[Frank Bornia]
Home in 1920: California, Washington, Pennsylvania
Age: 34 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
[abt 1883]
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Lillian M
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Image: 986
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Bovino 34 head
Lillian M Bovino 33 wife
Charles E Hess 15 stepson
William Hess 12 stepson
Jesse Hess 10 stepson
[img=http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2636 ... ky9.th.jpg]
Perhaps another relative?
I can't still understand the real last name....
Laura
Francesco's possible 1899 manifest
30 April 1899 SS Kaiser Wilhelm II, Naples to NY
Line 28
Francesco Voraneso 14, abt 1884
- single
- last residence Campofelice
- destination Pittsburgh
edit: added address
- joining father Giuseppe at 1036 5th Ave
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Note:
Agree with wldspirit & Laura & Biff
re-re quote
andpink67 wrote:I found that Vavanese possible is not the right spell of the last name because in italy it doesn't exist....
Could it be Veronese???
Since all of these families may or may not have 'americanized' their names in different ways, not sure if the Vavonese records in Syracuse on ancestry all belong to Salvatore's family.Biff83 wrote: 1911 San Giorgio manifest find for Vincenza Calderone and children, does any else see the father's surname written as Veronese and then corrected to Vavonese on page 2? Notice the lighter strokes on the correction of the e to a and r to v.
Valarie
Re: How to or where do we go
Note: another Bavonese, witness Gugiuzzo/Gugliuzza? (in Pittsburgh)
Also: both Vavonese & variations and Gugliuzza (Nunzia’s possible maiden name)
have WWI records in California, Washington, PA
It’s possible that a lot of folks from Campofelice migrated to Washington County,
possibly by way of Pittsburgh…
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Since we’re looking for records for possible later connections…
Living in California, PA, born in Campofelice
1910 Petition
Publication Number: M1537
Publication Title: Naturalization Petitions of the U.S. District Court, 1820-1930, and Circuit Court, 1820-1911, for the Western District of Pennsylvania
Publisher: NARA
State: Pennsylvania
Court: US Circuit and District Courts, Oct 1820-Sep 3, 1906
Year: 1910
Date: 17 Aug 1910
Immigrant Full Name: Giuseppe Bavonese
Document Type: Petition for Naturalization
Home Country: Italy
Witness Full Name: J C Cancelliere
Year Immigrated: 1899
Also: both Vavonese & variations and Gugliuzza (Nunzia’s possible maiden name)
have WWI records in California, Washington, PA
It’s possible that a lot of folks from Campofelice migrated to Washington County,
possibly by way of Pittsburgh…
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Since we’re looking for records for possible later connections…
Living in California, PA, born in Campofelice
1910 Petition
Publication Number: M1537
Publication Title: Naturalization Petitions of the U.S. District Court, 1820-1930, and Circuit Court, 1820-1911, for the Western District of Pennsylvania
Publisher: NARA
State: Pennsylvania
Court: US Circuit and District Courts, Oct 1820-Sep 3, 1906
Year: 1910
Date: 17 Aug 1910
Immigrant Full Name: Giuseppe Bavonese
Document Type: Petition for Naturalization
Home Country: Italy
Witness Full Name: J C Cancelliere
Year Immigrated: 1899
Re: How to or where do we go
Vince/Traci,vince/traci wrote:Hello! Thank you for the wonderful site! We have the patriarch who came from Canipofeliee, Sicily, Italy - ended up in California City, PA. That was Salvatore Vavonese DOB 11/07/1888 DOD 07/1976 who married Nunzia (Nancy) Vavonese (maiden name possibly Gugliuzza or Gugluzzi?). We're not sure if she was here first - according to her SS# it is possible. They had 8 children - Joe, Anthony, Frank, Kathryn, Angelo, Anna, Donna, and Virginia. Of those 8 children, how do we find their spouses and children? Thanks for any input, you can reply to this message or email us!
Both Salvatore T. and Nunzia's obituaries and wedding details for some of their children in the Syracuse newspapers can be accessed at:
NewspaperArchive.com
This is a subscription site but you can sign up for a month for $9.99. A month should be more than enough time to locate information. Just remember to cancel once you've finished.
Biff
"Mintammicce impizzu mpizzu ca pue largu minne fazzu sule!"
Re: How to or where do we go
Agree with Laura's , manifest find for Salvatore Vavonese traveling with his older brother Giuseppepink67 wrote: I found that Vavanese possible is not the right spell of the last name because in italy it doesn't exist....
Could it be Veronese???
I found an arrival manifest for a Salvatore Veronese, from Campofelice, age 11, travelling with his brother? Giuseppe joining their father Giuseppe Veronese in Pittsburg...
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Salvatore Veronese
Name: Salvatore Veronese
Arrival Date: 2 Mar 1900
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Age: 11
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ethnicity/RaceÂ/Nationality: Italian
Ship Name: Kaiser Wilhelm II
Search Ship Database: Search the Kaiser Wilhelm II in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 11
Microfilm Serial: 15
Microfilm Roll: T715_104
Page Number: 63
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Do you have the correct arrival manifest for Salvatore?
Laura
(see possible brother Francesco’s 1899 manifest and Giuseppe‘s 1910 petition)
- Both are headed to Pittsburgh to join their father Giuseppe, same as Francesco in 1899
- Giuseppe is a barber, same as 1910 petition
1900 manifest
02 Mar 1900 SS Kaiser Wilhelm II, Naples to NY
Lines 10-11
Veronese Giuseppe 25 (abt 1874)
- married
- barber
- last residence Campofelice
- destination Pittsburgh
- joining father Giuseppe Veronese at 1036 5th Ave
Veronese Salvatore 11 (abt 1888)
- single
- last residence Campofelice
- destination Pittsburgh
- joining father Giuseppe Veronese at 1036 5th Ave
Re: How to or where do we go
Father Giuseppe and three of his sons at 1036 5th Ave in 1900?
(address from the manifests)
1900 census
Home in June 1900:
1036 5th Ave
Pittsburgh Ward 6, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Head Joseph Valauisi 52
- June 1847 IT
- married 31 yrs, abt 1869
- in US 10 yrs (abt 1890) Al
Son Joseph Valauisi 25
- Feb 1875 IT
- single
- immig 1900, in US 0 yr
Son Frank Valauisi 14
- Nov 1885 IT
- single
- immig 1899, in US 1 yr
Son Salvador Valauisi 11
- Oct 1888 IT
- single
- immig 1899, in US 0 yr
Roomers:
Frank Sauenvein 35
Jacob Delp 51
Herbert H Parsons 44
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Note: Fortunato didn't make the 1900 census - he arrived in 1901,
joining his (father?) Giuseppe in Pittsburgh
from the 1st page of the post:
1901 manifest
Line 1
2 Apr 1901, SS Trave to NY
Fortunato Valaresa, 23 (abt 1877)
- single
- last residence Campofelice
- destination Pittsburgh
- joining (??) Giuseppe at 1587 Colwell St
(same neighborhood, 4 blocks away from 1036 5th)
(address from the manifests)
1900 census
Home in June 1900:
1036 5th Ave
Pittsburgh Ward 6, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Head Joseph Valauisi 52
- June 1847 IT
- married 31 yrs, abt 1869
- in US 10 yrs (abt 1890) Al
Son Joseph Valauisi 25
- Feb 1875 IT
- single
- immig 1900, in US 0 yr
Son Frank Valauisi 14
- Nov 1885 IT
- single
- immig 1899, in US 1 yr
Son Salvador Valauisi 11
- Oct 1888 IT
- single
- immig 1899, in US 0 yr
Roomers:
Frank Sauenvein 35
Jacob Delp 51
Herbert H Parsons 44
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Note: Fortunato didn't make the 1900 census - he arrived in 1901,
joining his (father?) Giuseppe in Pittsburgh
from the 1st page of the post:
1901 manifest
Line 1
2 Apr 1901, SS Trave to NY
Fortunato Valaresa, 23 (abt 1877)
- single
- last residence Campofelice
- destination Pittsburgh
- joining (??) Giuseppe at 1587 Colwell St
(same neighborhood, 4 blocks away from 1036 5th)
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Re: How to or where do we go
Hello to ALL of you! Many thanks for the input. I will have Vince read these when he gets home this evening. My head hurts from just skimming them. As far as I know the last name VAVONESE is the original - will have to confirm with "Uncle Frank Sr." next time we speak with him. We (right now) have no middle name for Salvatore - the "T" is very possibly correct -goes with the SS# I have as does the SS# for Nunzia match what I have.
The names below are the only 2 Vavonese I could find on the Ellis Island arrival manifest.
Caterina Vavonese 6, abt 1905
Francesca Vavonese 2, abt 1909
HOW do you all get your information? This is overwhelming and I have no idea where to start - we began by just "googling" names. Anyway - thank you all for the input and I'm looking forward to anymore help. I'm letting Vince read over these posts now!!
Thanks again
The names below are the only 2 Vavonese I could find on the Ellis Island arrival manifest.
Caterina Vavonese 6, abt 1905
Francesca Vavonese 2, abt 1909
HOW do you all get your information? This is overwhelming and I have no idea where to start - we began by just "googling" names. Anyway - thank you all for the input and I'm looking forward to anymore help. I'm letting Vince read over these posts now!!
Thanks again
Vince & Traci
Re: How to or where do we go
Hi Traci!
Don't worry about trying to absorb all of the information all at once.
It's all a bit disjointed since it's in the order it was found.
We used Ellis Island and ancestry .com for the ship manifests
The census & miltary records are from ancestry. com & HeritageQuest (both subscription & library sites)
The partial obituaries are from a google news archives search.
If we can confirm that some of these records are correct, we can direct you on how to conduct your family research in Italian records.
This will be very inexpensive since it appears the records were microfilmed by the LDS.
They're available for you to rent and view at your local Family History Center for only $6.00 @.
Question, where was your family in 1930?
Thank you for getting back with us !
Valarie
Don't worry about trying to absorb all of the information all at once.
It's all a bit disjointed since it's in the order it was found.
We used Ellis Island and ancestry .com for the ship manifests
The census & miltary records are from ancestry. com & HeritageQuest (both subscription & library sites)
The partial obituaries are from a google news archives search.
If we can confirm that some of these records are correct, we can direct you on how to conduct your family research in Italian records.
This will be very inexpensive since it appears the records were microfilmed by the LDS.
They're available for you to rent and view at your local Family History Center for only $6.00 @.
Question, where was your family in 1930?
Thank you for getting back with us !
Valarie
Re: How to or where do we go
Microfilm information:liviomoreno wrote:I believe that the correct spelling of the town of origin of your patriarch is Campofelice. In the Province of Palermo there are two towns (villages):
Campofelice di Roccella and Campofelice di Fitalia.
film notes
Topic
Italy, Palermo, Campofelice di Fitalia - Civil registration
Titles
Registri dello stato civile, 1848-1903 Campofelice di Fitalia (Palermo). Ufficio dello stato civile
Topic
Italy, Palermo, Campofelice di Roccella - Civil registration
Titles
Registri dello stato civile, 1820-1910 Campofelice (Palermo). Ufficio dell stato civile
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