Di Pinto ancestry from Bari

marcusmouse · Post by **marcusmouse** » 16 Nov 2003, 04:08

Joseph Di Pinto, my grandfather was born March 3, 1880, immigrated to the US around the turn of the century and was married in Chicago in January 1905. I have a picture of the church he went to as a boy. All I know is that he came from Bari where he shepered the family flock of sheep on a hillside of peach trees. Dont know if this is city or province of Bari. Any suggestions who might be able to identify the church ? Ellis Island changed the spelling to De Pinto. His brother, George came to US but returned to Italy. reply to smarcucci@cox.net

ptimber · Post by **ptimber** » 16 Nov 2003, 16:29

If you check ed the ellis island website you would have known the town of origin in Bari Province (if thats where he came from) by checking the 20 Giuseppe Di Pinto listed and double checking the information on the ships manifest which is also on the same website. Have you determinded which Giuseppe Di Pinto is your grandfather by date of birth? If so what is the number amoing tghe 20 that is his listing?? peter

ptimber · Post by **ptimber** » 16 Nov 2003, 16:32

P.S....Ellis island did not change names. name changes took place after the immigrant enetered the social fabric of the USA thru school, work or social interaction which is when any name cvhanges took placed and often it was by accident. Peter

marcusmouse · Post by **marcusmouse** » 16 Nov 2003, 17:36

Thanks for the response, yes I have been all over the Ellis Island website in all the categories. The only (1) record that matches his age shows him from a town close to the northern border and nowhere near Bari. That is why I was hoping I could find anyone, or religous institution that would recognize the church in the photo and help pin point his birthplace. I also tried the white pages in Bari, There are dozens of names and I dont read Italian so not sure if any have email or read English. I also tried to find a Catholic website for the region and send them the picture but have had no luck there either. I was in my 30's when he passed away and remember him telling me that he came from Bari and came here with 2 uncles and cousins but I don't know their names.

ptimber · Post by **ptimber** » 16 Nov 2003, 20:00

You obviously don't have the right Di Pinto because the ellis island records would show his town of origin. The birth year, in this case, in not significant. Did he die after 1963?? was he ever naturalzied as a USC. ? If I were you I would answer me and then You can also file a form 81 with NARA (USA arrival archives) for as record of his arrival in the USA since he may have come in thru Boston, Philadelphia, balrtimore etc. You have his birthdate or birth year which, in this case involving NARA is indeed significant. Peter

marcusmouse · Post by **marcusmouse** » 16 Nov 2003, 20:17

He died 1968. I do have old family records that states, he as a tailors apprentice was made to wear a strap around his neck to his knees to keep him from looking up while he learned to sew.
I have also been told by many other families that the ships records frequently got information incorrect. Since there is only one record that matches his age, profession, destination and port of entry (NY), I will assume that the city of origin was that of his fellow travelers and not Bari. I am still trying to find anywhere or anyone who can identify the photo of the church in Italy.
He entered the US through NY.
He became a citizen and married my Grandmother in Jan 1905 in Chicago. I have pictures of that with the dates.

ptimber · Post by **ptimber** » 16 Nov 2003, 22:18

In order to find any record in Italy you ABSDOLUTELY need the town of origin. If he died after 1963 then chek out the social security application. to www.ssdi,genealogy.rootsweb.cvom and way over tyo the left under SS-5 you can click for a letter to send to Social security to get a copy of his original social security application which has all the vital information as to date and place of birth as well as parents names. You can also go to www.genealogylookups.com/narchives.htm and file form 81 (passenger arrival records) for his entry into the USA. The sociual security check will cost about $30.00 and the form 81 to NARA will only cost when they ind a record and will cost about $10.00. Mail the form to National Archives, NY office, 201 Varick Street, New York, N.Y, 10014-4811. Once you have the town of origin the whole world oipens up dating back to the early 1800's. Peter

suanj · Post by **suanj** » 17 Nov 2003, 19:07

Hi Marc:
this is someone church in Bari province:

cathedral and church of Bari town
http://www.mondimedievali.net/Edifici/P ... laBari.htm
http://www.inmedia.it/Puglia/foto/vfoto/01/catba.jpg
http://www.mondimedievali.net/Reporter/indice.htm
http://www.trecolline.it/porzioni/pagin ... _r3_c1.jpg

cathedral of Bitetto(bari province)-small picture
http://www.barisera.it/bitetto.htm

ditto of Giovinazzo(bari)
http://www.inmedia.it/Puglia/foto/vfoto/01/giovin.jpg

ditto of molfetta(Bari)
http://www.inmedia.it/Puglia/foto/vfoto/01/molfet.jpg

ditto of Trani(Bari)
http://www.inmedia.it/Puglia/foto/vfoto/01/trani.jpg
http://www.trecolline.it/porzioni/pagin ... _r1_c1.jpg
http://www.trecolline.it/giornale/foto_ ... _front.jpg

ditto of Canosa(bari)
http://www.inmedia.it/Puglia/foto/vfoto/01/cacano.jpg

ditto of Ruvo(Bari)
http://www.inmedia.it/Puglia/foto/vfoto/01/ruvo.jpg
http://www.mondimedievali.net/Edifici/Puglia/ruvo01.jpg

ditto of Bitonto(bari)
http://www.inmedia.it/Puglia/foto/vfoto/01/bitonto.jpg
http://www.mondimedievali.net/Edifici/P ... _small.jpg

ditto of SANNICANDRO DI BARI (Bari)
http://art.supereva.it/prolocosannicand ... i/Sann.jpg
http://art.supereva.it/prolocosannicand ... cartol.JPG
http://art.supereva.it/prolocosannicand ... pirito.jpg
http://art.supereva.it/prolocosannicand ... /Sacra.jpg
http://art.supereva.it/prolocosannicand ... /Torre.jpg

Bisceglie(Bari)
http://www.bisceglieweb.it/IMG/S.Margherita.jpg
http://www.bisceglieonline.net/proloco. ... drale.html
http://www.bisceglieonline.net/proloco. ... .%20ADOENO

Suggestions?
regards, suanj

marcusmouse · Post by **marcusmouse** » 17 Nov 2003, 20:00

Thank you very much for the info, I went thru it all and don't see the church I am looking for. I think it would be easier if I could display the picture on the webb but I don't know how to attach or insert the picture as is done in regular email programs. I did narrow my record search down to a few possibilities. An uncle recently out of the hospital remembers the home town being Losedo in Bari but none of the passengers for the years before 1905 match his correct age. Back to square one. I am trying the SS records now. Any help on posting the picture?

suanj · Post by **suanj** » 17 Nov 2003, 22:07

Hi: Loseto (exact spelling) is a fraction Bari Town. Are 2 church in Loseto: 1 ancient and 1 modern. Ancient Church is: Parrocchia San Giorgio martire.
Not are picture on web...but I've found this http://images.google.it/imgres?imgurl=w ... oe%3DUTF-8

regards, suanj

ptimber · Post by **ptimber** » 18 Nov 2003, 00:33

Dear Marcusmouse. had you told me about your unlce and Losedo in the beginning a lot of this back and forth would have ended in one reply with names,. places and dates. Now you have two people who have knocked themselves out looking to assist you and all this time you had this information about LOSEDO which you just sprung upon us. It is not fair of you to not have given us every scrap of information you had so that we could pinpoint the informatiuon immiedtaley instead of this ring around the rosie we have been playing. Peter

marcusmouse · Post by **marcusmouse** » 18 Nov 2003, 03:28

Dear Sir
I am extremely offended by your snide attitude. Had I the information regarding my Uncle before this, I most certainly would have divulged it. After speaking to him on the phone, I went directly to the computer. Until yesterday he has been in the hospital with throat cancer and it was very difficult for him to talk, much less remember anything at age 92. It has been exasperating and very frustrating for me as well. I am very sorry that you think I have taken your valuable time. Perhaps you should seek help for your anger control. Have a good day.

ptimber · Post by **ptimber** » 18 Nov 2003, 21:53

You don't know how to communicate! You never said that "Ijust obtained new information that I sadly was unable to provide you earlier" " I have just lkearned from a gravely ill relative that...." Then it would have been understandable...If anyone is the cause of anything it is you! Your entirely too casual about genelaogy.May I refer you Italian genealogical Records by Traffor R. Cole which is an easy read and will give you information that will give you more information than you could possible immagine. You will be able to conduct research on your own and whenyou request information, if you find that you will you need too, people will help you swiftly and youj will understand them easily. Peter

ptimber · Post by **ptimber** » 18 Nov 2003, 22:49

Lets light a candle.....Loseto is a suburb of the city of Bari with its own Postal zone and that is Postale70020. Yougr gfrandfather IS LISTED in Ellisisland.org website as Giuseppe Du Pinto, born 1889 in Loseto, Bari Italy. He entereds the USA with his father or uncle Vito Di Pinto on Marc 16,1904 on the ss Hohenzolben at NYC. He was dstined to Chicago, Ill with Vito. If you go to www.paginbeianche.it and put Di Pinto in the first line and Losetao in the thrid line and click CERCA a listing will come up of two (2) Di Pinto who are most likely to be relatives. They can be contacted and can identity the church you seem so intent upon discovering. Youj can obtain documents for your family at the Ufficio di Stato Civile in Loseto. If you cannot write italian there are form letters you can send. Please let me know if you need them? Peter

ptimber · Post by **ptimber** » 19 Nov 2003, 15:10

If you go to the family History Library of thre Mormon churech nearest your home you can rent out the microfilm for Loseto which is under Bari, Bari,Italy and trace your family back to 1809. The micorfilm rental is about $3.00 and when you do go thru the microfilm you will see all the births, marriages and deaths of your entire family. There is another book tghat is a great companion to your micotfilm rersearches and that is Discovering your Italian Ancestors, by Lynn Nelson which you can borrow from the librsary or buy at barnes and Nobles or on line thru Amnazon. Happy researching....oh by the way I assume you do not need form letters to obtain documents in Loseto but don';t forget to include a self addressed envelope and toss in a few dollars or euros as suggested by the Mormon church people. Peter