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Re: Paul Lago Mersino

Post by suanj » 09 Dec 2015, 17:30

I remembered abt these military records of some Genova district( no of all districts) and it are a:
Paolo Gerolamo Lagomarsino born on 29 August 1816 S.Salvatore, , Genova, Italia son of Giuseppe Lagomarsino ( Giuseppe=Joseph) and Rosa Parodi https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:34ZL-YL1

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Re: Paul Lago Mersino

Post by James » 09 Dec 2015, 17:51

suanj wrote:well, the archivist said that, currently, they don't have sufficient staff for genealogic searches, and just in case of preeminent legal interest the staff make the searches.
But anyone can make the searches by itself (or to hire a genealogist on place). The archivist said abt civil records availability (we know it) and abt the military records, they are no in order, hundreds of pages no in alphabetical order,
and they are no complete records, lacking many data, but in some way, it could be possible a search (by yourself or by a genealogist) but no currently because the records are very damaged, and they need of a restoration, so at this moment they are not readable; and they can not see...

so the other option that we have is to find his arrival, hoping that we can understand better the place maybe Borzonasca is right to 100%, and I believe that are no other US records that can make light abt birthplace.... Or it could be possible to write in Borzonasca parish...(?)) what you think?
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That may work... Not sure what else to do right now!

The arrival records I have searched have found nothing.

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Re: Paul Lago Mersino

Post by suanj » 09 Dec 2015, 18:17

James, if you click here https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:34ZL-YL1 the author is Claudio Plescovich.. if you click on the name you will find the his email, I know that he have abt 200.000 records, and also he helped someone here in the forum, abt Genova records... if you can write in english ( hoping the email work!) asking a search in his database abt Paolo Lagomarsino, it could be helpful in some way.. I remain of my idea abt Borzonasca birthplace, but it is a fact that Gardi surname is popular just in Genova, as a well Lagomarsino. If Claudio can search in his database it could be helpful, and because he is on place, maybe can give a better idea where to search... Because Borzano or Borsono who know if in the past was some district in Genova so called?
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suanj wrote:James, if you click here https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:34ZL-YL1 the author is Claudio Plescovich.. if you click on the name you will find the his email, I know that he have abt 200.000 records, and also he helped someone here in the forum, abt Genova records... if you can write in english ( hoping the email work!) asking a search in his database abt Paolo Lagomarsino, it could be helpful in some way.. I remain of my idea abt Borzonasca birthplace, but it is a fact that Gardi surname is popular just in Genova, as a well Lagomarsino. If Claudio can search in his database it could be helpful, and because he is on place, maybe can give a better idea where to search... Because Borzano or Borsono who know if in the past was some district in Genova so called?
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I sent him a message. We shall see what he says. Should I try to find someone in Genova to search for me? Or get a lawyer to assist in the request? Or just write directly to some churches... Thank you for all of your help. I feel like we are SO CLOSE.
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Post by suanj » 09 Dec 2015, 18:33

James, Borzonasca seeming very probable to me because if you see here https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... onasca.jpg a Borzonasca hamleth is Borzone.. seeming Borzone ( in dialect Borsone)very similar at birthplace on marriage record, true..?
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Post by suanj » 09 Dec 2015, 18:38

James,
Claudio could be the right person that help you.. if the his email address work, I believe he can help, someone here already had help.. but it is no necessary or helpful a lawyer... Claudio could be the right person... helpful for you..
we wait his reply for now..
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Re: Paul Lago Mersino

Post by James » 09 Dec 2015, 18:46

suanj wrote:James, Borzonasca seeming very probable to me because if you see here https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... onasca.jpg a Borzonasca hamleth is Borzone.. seeming Borzone ( in dialect Borsone)very similar at birthplace on marriage record, true..?
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Oh yes.. I could see how that all would fit.
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Re: Paul Lago Mersino

Post by James » 09 Dec 2015, 18:55

suanj wrote:James,
Claudio could be the right person that help you.. if the his email address work, I believe he can help, someone here already had help.. but it is no necessary or helpful a lawyer... Claudio could be the right person... helpful for you..
we wait his reply for now..
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This was his response:

"Hello, all the information I had is now in familysearch.org
I sorry but I have no time or experience to do any researches for you.
Claudio"
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Post by suanj » 09 Dec 2015, 21:15

hmmm.. but in this old message: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/t ... 0923909108
he say abt 200.000 names, on familysearch I found just the database https://familysearch.org/search/tree/re ... d:MMDN-N1K
of 59.602 names, so I believed that he had other names.. abt the experience in the old message he said: ".. BIG experience in this field."
so maybe he just don't want help...
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Post by James » 10 Dec 2015, 00:08

suanj wrote:hmmm.. but in this old message: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/t ... 0923909108
he say abt 200.000 names, on familysearch I found just the database https://familysearch.org/search/tree/re ... d:MMDN-N1K
of 59.602 names, so I believed that he had other names.. abt the experience in the old message he said: ".. BIG experience in this field."
so maybe he just don't want help...
Ok, I understand,
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Yeah... Maybe he is tired of helping others. I replied to his email and asked again, so we shall see. I think writing to parish in Borzone is the right next step.

Borzone appears to be VERY VERY small place. If he indeed wrote Borzone. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbazia_di_Sant%27Andrea I found this church which is in Borzone and I really hope that is where he was baptized... Because it is a beautiful church and I would love to visit it. Not sure what you think, but that whole area seems very small. Not sure how many other churches there would be.
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Post by suanj » 10 Dec 2015, 07:31

James,
I read that the Saint Andrew Abbey in Borzone, was parish also ( no just Abbey) from 1536 to 1847 http://www.abbaziaborzone.it/abbazia-sa ... i-storici/
so if my idea is right, abt Borzone of Borzonasca birthplace, Paolo was baptized here, in the Abbey.. I don't know if the Abbey have the archive abt Church records, or just downloaded it in the Diocese Archive of Chiavari ... it is so far from my residence.. and I don't know... however maybe you can write in the Abbey.. I can prepare the txt... let me know if you want it..
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Post by James » 10 Dec 2015, 07:42

suanj wrote:James,
I read that the Saint Andrew Abbey in Borzone, was parish also ( no just Abbey) from 1536 to 1847 http://www.abbaziaborzone.it/abbazia-sa ... i-storici/
so if my idea is right, abt Borzone of Borzonasca birthplace, Paolo was baptized here, in the Abbey.. I don't know if the Abbey have the archive abt Church records, or just downloaded it in the Diocese Archive of Chiavari ... it is so far from my residence.. and I don't know... however maybe you can write in the Abbey.. I can prepare the txt... let me know if you want it..
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suanj: good morning, thanks again for all the support you have been given me.

Father Attilio Fabris from the Abbey has a contact link on the website... http://www.abbaziaborzone.it/per-contattarci/

We could write something to him there and find out?

I also see that they are looking for a lot of donations to repair the building. I am sure that if they can help they would be very willing to help if possible.

I will 100% visit on my travel to Italy :)

Also: http://italia.indettaglio.it/eng/liguri ... rzone.html says that is the only parish in the town of Borzone... Wonder if that is accurate, but it is such a small area.
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Post by suanj » 10 Dec 2015, 12:13

well James, please to make so in this webpage: http://www.abbaziaborzone.it/per-contattarci/
box 1(Nome)= write your name
box 2 (Email)= write your email address
box 3(Titolo)= write: certificato di battesimo
box4( Vostro messagio.really messaggio word is right)= write so:
Gent.mo Padre Attilio,
sono un cittadino statunitense discendente di Lagomarsino Paolo classe 1817 circa, figlio di Giovanni e Gardi Maddalena. Egli emigrò negli USA, ed io spero in un suo aiuto perché il mio antenato dichiarò come luogo di nascita Borzano/Borzone, per cui penso sia stato battezzato in Abbazia. Gent.mo Padre le sarei grato se potessi ricevere il certificato di battesimo utile per la richiesta di cittadinanza italiana ius sanguinis. In caso positivo sarei felice di prestarmi a ricercare negli USA donazioni per i bisogni dell'Abbazia, nonché a farla io stesso. Grazie per una sua cortese risposta,
...( your name)

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Post by James » 10 Dec 2015, 16:56

suanj wrote:well James, please to make so in this webpage: http://www.abbaziaborzone.it/per-contattarci/
box 1(Nome)= write your name
box 2 (Email)= write your email address
box 3(Titolo)= write: certificato di battesimo
box4( Vostro messagio.really messaggio word is right)= write so:
Gent.mo Padre Attilio,
sono un cittadino statunitense discendente di Lagomarsino Paolo classe 1817 circa, figlio di Giovanni e Gardi Maddalena. Egli emigrò negli USA, ed io spero in un suo aiuto perché il mio antenato dichiarò come luogo di nascita Borzano/Borzone, per cui penso sia stato battezzato in Abbazia. Gent.mo Padre le sarei grato se potessi ricevere il certificato di battesimo utile per la richiesta di cittadinanza italiana ius sanguinis. In caso positivo sarei felice di prestarmi a ricercare negli USA donazioni per i bisogni dell'Abbazia, nonché a farla io stesso. Grazie per una sua cortese risposta,
...( your name)

and click on "Invia"
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Hoping well!
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What a perfect letter, thank you. No confirmation at all that it was sent when I hit the button, so we can only hope! They have a phone number on the page, if it comes to it I can always try to call and get a quick answer if they have the documents stored there! If can write a letter to the archdiocese.
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Re: Paul Lago Mersino

Post by suanj » 10 Dec 2015, 17:23

waiting Father Attilio reply, I searched in Chiavari archdiocese website, but nothing abt Church records, so I dont know the situation.. If Father Attilio will reply we can have a better idea.. however I found his email address : attiliofabris @ libero.it (without spaces, I wrote with spaces for spam cause)
http://www.diocesichiavari.it/?s=borzonasca&paged=2
maybe you can send the same message also by email ( email subject the same as box 3)
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