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From my information my bisnonno Giulio Toti was born in Pagani 33nd October 1883/4. He left Italy at 14 years old and arrives in England.

I've searched for many many years and can't find him in any Italian records.

Does anyone have any help or advice to give ?
I'm at a loss in what do next

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Chances are he was raised (fostered) to a family in Pagani but was actaully from the Brefotrofio di Santa Annunziata in Salerno. I am also looking for a birth act of a foundling but so far I think one has to go to the church to get the records.
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LToti wrote: 12 Mar 2018, 13:02 From my information my bisnonno Giulio Toti was born in Pagani 33nd October 1883/4. He left Italy at 14 years old and arrives in England.

I've searched for many many years and can't find him in any Italian records.

Does anyone have any help or advice to give ?
I'm at a loss in what do next

Thank you
Hi, seeming born ten years after...:

Julian Toti
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name
Julian Toti
Event Type
Death Registration
Registration Quarter
Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year
1982
Registration District
Newcastle Upon Tyne
County
Northumberland
Event Place
Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969)
22 Oct 1893
Volume
2
Page
0287
Line Number
109
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Yes sorry that was a typo.
It was 1893/4

I have found British records but none in Italy.
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Italysearcher wrote: 13 Mar 2018, 10:52 Chances are he was raised (fostered) to a family in Pagani but was actaully from the Brefotrofio di Santa Annunziata in Salerno. I am also looking for a birth act of a foundling but so far I think one has to go to the church to get the records.
So as far as you can gather they don't hold online records ?
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LToti wrote: 14 Mar 2018, 16:38 Yes sorry that was a typo.
It was 1893/4

I have found British records but none in Italy.
ok... you can add some other detail?
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Pagani is in Salerno province, but I cannot find Toti surname in the military draft card in all municipalities of Salerno province ... instead here he stated Neapel/Napoli(Naples
Nome:
Julio Toti
Sesso:
männlich (Maschio)
Età alla partenza:
26
Gruppo etnico / Nazionalità:
Italien (Italiano)
Data di nascita:
22 Okt 1894 (22 ott 1894)
Luogo di nascita:
Neapel (Napoli)
Residenza:
Hamburg (Amburgo)
Data di partenza:
29 Jun 1921 (29 giu 1921)
Porto di partenza:
Hamburg
Destinazione:
Grimsby
Nome nave:
Stockport
Addetto spedizione:
H. C. Röver
Linea di spedizione:
Great Central Railway
Tipo di nave:
Dampfschiff
Sistemazione:
ohne Angabe
Volume:
373-7 I, VIII A 1 Band 283
Membri del nucleo familiare:
Nome
Età
Julio Toti
26
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by what way you know abt Pagani... from UK documents?
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Yes! This is him. He left Italy and joined the merchant Navy.

He told us that is where he was from (Pagani)
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No one Toti man in all Salerno province, until 1900... maybe he was no born in Salerno...
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Do you think perhaps he was born in Naples Suanj?
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Pagani is far from the sea. A person working on ships must be familiar with the sea, must have grown up in a town with a port... just my opinion....
On marriage record.. what are the parent's names.. or orphan?
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