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Post by Jcox129 » 12 Aug 2019, 07:56

I am searching for the marriage records of Raffaele d'Elisa (son of Pietro) and Luigia Milano. Both were born around 1802, according to their children's birth records. I have found the records for their eight children, all born in Marsico Nuovo between 1830 and 1845, but have been unable to find a marriage record for them in Marsico Nuovo. Could someone please help me find a record of their marriage? I am wondering if maybe they were married in another town. If so, I have no idea where to look. Thank you!

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Post by Italysearcher » 12 Aug 2019, 10:10

Marriages usually took place in the town of the bride so if Luigia Milano was from anotehr town you need to look there.
The marriages processetti (if they exist) for their children might help you locate that or her death record.
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Post by Tessa78 » 12 Aug 2019, 15:32

Jcox129 wrote:
12 Aug 2019, 07:56
I am searching for the marriage records of Raffaele d'Elisa (son of Pietro) and Luigia Milano. Both were born around 1802, according to their children's birth records. I have found the records for their eight children, all born in Marsico Nuovo between 1830 and 1845, but have been unable to find a marriage record for them in Marsico Nuovo. Could someone please help me find a record of their marriage? I am wondering if maybe they were married in another town. If so, I have no idea where to look. Thank you!


For reference purposes I located the birth act of Michel'Arcangiolo de Lisa in 1830.
He is the son of Raffaele de Lisa [ son of Michele] (age 27) and of Luigia Milano (age 18).
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

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Post by Jcox129 » 12 Aug 2019, 17:39

Tessa, thank you. I should have posted that for reference myself. Ann, I will see if I can find the marriage processeti for any of their children. I'm pretty sure I have it for their daughter Mariantonia, my 3× Great Grandmother. I did not know the marriages took place in the bride's town. Thank you so much!

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Post by Tessa78 » 12 Aug 2019, 19:13

I do not know if you noticed in the birth act I posted that the father of Raffaele is Michele, not Pietro as you indicated :-)

I have been searching the births from 1810-1813 in Marsico Nuovo for Luigia Milano. She was age 18 at the birth of Michel'Arcangiolo. I have not been successful and I think perhaps she was from another town. If you find a marriage/publication of banns, it may help to solve this mystery.

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Post by Jcox129 » 12 Aug 2019, 19:28

Thank you so much! I had somehow missed your correction that Raffaele's father's name was Michele. I had him mixed up with a different member of my family and was going by my (faulty) memory. I will keep searching for a marriage and hopefully that will give me some clues.

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Post by Tessa78 » 12 Aug 2019, 19:55

You might also look for death records for Raffaele and Luigia.
Did they remain in Marsico Nuovo?

In this death act for Mariantonia Delisa (age 58) in 1886 (#60), her father, Raffaele is deceased and her mother, Luigia Milano is still living. Luigia Milano resides in Paterno, a hamlet of Marsico Nuovo.
https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/18 ... 1226-00016


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In 1898, at the death of her daughter Maria Rosa DeLisa, Luigia Milano listed as living and residing in Paterno.
https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/18 ... 1250-00004

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Post by Jcox129 » 12 Aug 2019, 20:22

Thank you. I will look for the death records. Here is Mariantonia Delisa's marriage processeti, record 63.

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

I don't see anything on any of the included documents that can help me - I'm still not very skilled at reading these records. I will look for their death records - great advice! Thank you for posting Mariantonia's death record, as I didn't have it yet. I will search for her parents' death records. I appreciate all of your help and advice.

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Post by Tessa78 » 12 Aug 2019, 21:04

Thank you for the marriage act. It actually tells us that Raffaele was still living in 1848.

I also added Maria Rosa's death act in 1898 above.
Luigia Milano is listed as living in Paterno.

So... Raffaele died sometime before 1886 but after 1848, and Luigia died sometime after 1898 :-) which helps to narrow your search.

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Post by Jcox129 » 12 Aug 2019, 21:38

I thought I had posted this, but I must not have - for some reason a few of my replies aren't submitting. This is Mariantonia's birth record (record 31) and it does say Raffaele's father is Pietro - I think there must be two couples with the same names. Mariantonia's parents are the ones that I need but I may have been gathering birth records for two different lines.

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

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Post by Jcox129 » 12 Aug 2019, 21:42

I will check all of the birth records and see which ones have Raffaele's father listed as Michele and which say Pietro. If Mariantonia's is the only one that says Raffaele's father is Pietro, perhaps it was recorded that way as a mistake and is incorrect. Delisa doesn't seem to be a very common name in the town, so I would be surprised if there were two different Raffaele Delisa's both married to women named Luigia Milano.

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Post by Tessa78 » 12 Aug 2019, 21:46

That is the correct family... there may be an error by the clerk for Raffaele's father's name on one of the documents. Mother is Luigia Milano on both records.

When we find Raffaele's death act we will see what name is listed for his father. :-)

For the births of the other children, what is listed as Raffaele's father's given name?

Meanwhile, I found this death act for a child of the couple. Her name is Maria and she died at age 2 in 1858. On the record Raffaele is living, as is his wife Luigia Milano.
This helps to narrow his death years further - after 1858 and before 1886.
I can tell you that he is not in the death acts for 1858, 1859, and 1860. I checked those.

Death of Maria D'Elisa, age 2, on 25 June 1858.
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

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Post by Jcox129 » 13 Aug 2019, 02:06

I tried posting another reply but again had a malfunction on my end. Anyway, to update - Yes, Raffaele's father's name was Michele. And it looks like his mother's name was Rosa Caputo(?) - if I'm reading that right. Here is Raffaele's death record, #75 in 1873.

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/18 ... 017/220501?

I am still not used to reading these - can you tell me his date of death?

His daughter Carmela died the same year as him, so I was able to find two records at once. I'll continue looking for Luigia Milano's death record. She really lived a long life!

Thanks again for providing info and leading me in the right direction - you've been the biggest help.

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Post by Jcox129 » 13 Aug 2019, 06:26

I looked through death records from 1898 forward for Luigia Milano with no success. In 1914 her son Giovanni's death record said she was already deceased (which was not surprising because she would be over 100 years old by then). Here is Giovanni's death record, #2:

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/18 ... 1280-00002

I wondered if she may have emigrated somewhere after 1898 with one of her children, but I have not been able to find any trace of her. I did find the death record of a girl who seems to be her four year old grandchild Rosa, daughter of Antonio deLisa (a musician)and Angela Toscano. Rosa died in 1899 and her death record says she was born in America but that her parents currently reside in Paterno (as long as I'm reading it correctly). Here is Rosa's record, #18:

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/18 ... 1252-00006

I did find a Luigia Milano who died in 1908, but it appears she was only an eight year old child, unless I am reading the ages all wrong in these records. Luigia Milano, #13:

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/18 ... 1269-00005

I'll keep at it - something has to turn up eventually.

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Post by Tessa78 » 13 Aug 2019, 15:42

Great find of Raffaele's death act in 1873.
The date of the record is 15 June 1873, and the declarants indicated that he died yesterday, the 14th of the current month.
In it he is listed as age 75, and born in Padula (in Salerno Province?)
Father is Michele and mother is Rosa Caputi.

As you stated, Rosa De Lisa MAY be a granddaughter. That would take more verification.

Perhaps finding more of the death acts for Raffaele and Luigia's children will help narrow her death date even further.

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