Marriage Certificate - Vincenzo Palmieri & Giuseppa Pepi - Licodia Eubea

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Marriage Certificate - Vincenzo Palmieri & Giuseppa Pepi - Licodia Eubea

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Hey everyone,

I've probably scanned through these records 10 times now - going crazy.

I'm looking for the marriage record of Vincenzo Palmieri (B:1808-1810) and Giuseppa Pepi (B:1818-1820)

I'm basing the range off of the birth of their Son, Cristoforo Palmieri (B: 1851). I have attached his birth certificate for reference.

I am using this collection:

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... Matrimoni/

Hoping some more experienced eyes can maybe catch their names. I have also been looking through the index at the end of the documents.

Thank You!
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Well, I've taken another look and no luck. There is a Vincenzo Palmieri and Giuseppa Falcone, but based on the incorrect surname of his wife and the birthdate, it doesn't match.

I'll pay someone to find this record :lol:
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I have been searching for other births to the couple- Vincenzo Palmieri and Giuseppa Pepi. So far I have only found births with Vincenzo Palmieri and Giuseppa Falcone...???

Do you know the names of siblings to Cristofaro?
The births to a father Vincenzo Palmieri and mother Giuseppaa Falcone were Marianna (1848), and Giuseppe (1855).

I compared the birth act of Cristofaro and Marianna and I believe it is the same parents though the surname for the mother is different. Vincenzo is a shepherd on both. (And also on Giuseppe's) I would not worry about the ages listed for the parents. They tend to be inaccurate. In fact, on the births of Marianna and Giuseppe (both having mother as Giuseppa Falcone), the ages of the parents are the same in 1848 and 1855- mother age 30, and father age 40 (after 7 years) :D

Here is the link to Marianna's birth
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... 0.jpg.html

Giuseppe's birth

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... 0.jpg.html

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Tessa78 wrote: 04 Aug 2020, 21:10 I have been searching for other births to the couple- Vincenzo Palmieri and Giuseppa Pepi. So far I have only found births with Vincenzo Palmieri and Giuseppa Falcone...???

Do you know the names of siblings to Cristofaro?
The births to a father Vincenzo Palmieri and mother Giuseppaa Falcone were Marianna (1848), and Giuseppe (1855).

I compared the birth act of Cristofaro and Marianna and I believe it is the same parents though the surname for the mother is different. Vincenzo is a shepherd on both. (And also on Giuseppe's) I would not worry about the ages listed for the parents. They tend to be inaccurate. In fact, on the births of Marianna and Giuseppe (both having mother as Giuseppa Falcone), the ages of the parents are the same in 1848 and 1855- mother age 30, and father age 40 (after 7 years) :D

Here is the link to Marianna's birth
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... 0.jpg.html

Giuseppe's birth

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... 0.jpg.html

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Great find. It seems too far back for my zio to remember the siblings of his grandfather.

It does seem plausible, although im not sure where Pepi would come from. You are correct about the birthdates maybe not being correct:

Marianna - Sep 12 1848 - Giuseppa Falcone, 30 - Vincenzo Palmieri, 40
Giuseppe - Dec 30 1855 - Giuseppa Falcone, 30, - Vincenzo Palmieri, 40

It does not make sense for their ages to stay the same with 7 years apart.

Although what DOES align is that Cristoforo's birth is 2/3 years after Marianna, which would make the ages correct. Cristoforo - Jan 30 1851 - Giuseppa Pepi (Falcone?), 32 - Vincenzo Palmieri, 42.

The midwifes are also the same for Cristoforo and Mariannas births and she also has the 2 year difference in age.

This is great progress, just unsure where pepi is from... we may have to conclude that her surname is Falcone. I will take another look at the marriage certificate.
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The surname Pepi is VERY common in the town. It is likely that the clerk made an error when recording.

If Cristofaro was married in Italy, the error would have been noticed and corrected when his birth info was extracted. There would have been a correction by the court and recorded.

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All my zio told me was one of the children of the siblings was named Francesco (they called him Ciccio).

The certificate states:

Marriage: Feb 2 1845

Vincenzo Palmieri - 28 - (I am unable to read what is stated after the name)
Son of: Bartolomeo (Palmieri) - Domilicato un tempo in Licodia - this may mean his father was not from there?
and of: ?? Riccardo (settantaquatro, 74)

Giuseppa Falcone - 24
Daughter of: Sebastiano Falcone (56)
and of: Marianna d'Emmanuele (50)

Once again, his age states he may have been born in 1816/17/18 but his son Cristoforos birth certificate states he may have been born in 1808/09/10... very confusing, unless it is not the correct person.

Are you able to make out what I cannot read? I have attached it here.

Thanks!
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Tessa78 wrote: 04 Aug 2020, 23:51 The surname Pepi is VERY common in the town. It is likely that the clerk made an error when recording.

If Cristofaro was married in Italy, the error would have been noticed and corrected when his birth info was extracted. There would have been a correction by the court and recorded.

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Also following up on this though, the name Giuseppa Pepi was also recorded on his marriage record. This may dispel the fact that pepi was not correct.
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On the marriage record you posted, Vincenzo is 38 (trentotto), and the widower of Margherita Sciacca.

He is the son of deceased Bartolomeo, and of Gesualda Riccardo.

Here is the birth/baptism record for Vincenzo which is included in the Processetti of the marriage (attachments, etc) it appears he was born 22(?) .November 1807.

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0


Can you post Cristofaro's marriage act, please?

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Yes! Here it is.
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I just added more above.


Also, the record #, date and place are cut off. Can you provide it?

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Tessa78 wrote: 05 Aug 2020, 01:20 I just added more above.


Also, the record #, date and place are cut off. Can you provide it?

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Apologies. Here is a better version.
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Here is the death of Bartolomeo (from Vincenzo's marriage processetti)
Bartolomeo was the son of deceased Cristofaro

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

Also - death of Margherita Sciacca, first wife of Vincenzo
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

Birth Act of Giuseppa Falcone.
Born of Marianna D'Emmanuele a d Sebastiano Falcone. Presented to the official by Francesca Pepi, .midwife.
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

Link to Processetti...
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

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Thats another positive, considering naming children after the grandparents is tradition. Cristoro Palmieri was most likely named after his grandfather then. He was also the first boy if his mother was truly Giuseppa Falcone.
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mauro95 wrote: 05 Aug 2020, 01:37 Thats another positive, considering naming children after the grandparents is tradition. Cristoro Palmieri was most likely named after his great grandfather then. He was also the first boy if his mother was truly Giuseppa Falcone.
Bartolomeo's father :D

Can you provide the LINK to Cristofaro's marriage act? It was in Terranova.


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