Lucia DiStefano married Giuseppi(Joseph)Sapienza
Re: Lucia DiStefano married Giuseppi(Joseph)Sapienza
Before I head to bed, just wanted to say you have all done an amazing job...... ....Great research!!!!!
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Re: Lucia DiStefano married Giuseppi(Joseph)Sapienza
1920 Census for VITO SAPIENZA living in 27 Jones Street NY
This manifest need an interpretation because Vito is listed as Son but the head of this family is a woman: Delucca Angelina age 68 (??) maybe his mother in law?? Under the name of Vito there is Rosaria listed as Daughter of the head Angelina (I remember the arrival manifest of Vito: leaving in Italy the wife Rosaria D'Urso) but I think she's the wife of Vito and under the name of Rosaria there is Joseph age 1 year and 6 months... Of course he can't be the son of the head of this family but sure he's the son of Vito an Rosaria...
So the maiden name of the mother of Rosaria D'Urso (wife of Vito) was Delucca.....
The same last name of the wife of Salvatore arriving in 1920 leaving in Italy the wife Agostina Deluca...
And note that they were living in the same house of FRANK SAPIENZA (and wife Grace and son Joseph) ... I posted this census before but wasn't able to understand that relationship between Vito/Angelina Delucca/Rosaria...
What do you think about this??
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Now my brain need a rest!!!! 8O
This manifest need an interpretation because Vito is listed as Son but the head of this family is a woman: Delucca Angelina age 68 (??) maybe his mother in law?? Under the name of Vito there is Rosaria listed as Daughter of the head Angelina (I remember the arrival manifest of Vito: leaving in Italy the wife Rosaria D'Urso) but I think she's the wife of Vito and under the name of Rosaria there is Joseph age 1 year and 6 months... Of course he can't be the son of the head of this family but sure he's the son of Vito an Rosaria...
So the maiden name of the mother of Rosaria D'Urso (wife of Vito) was Delucca.....
The same last name of the wife of Salvatore arriving in 1920 leaving in Italy the wife Agostina Deluca...
And note that they were living in the same house of FRANK SAPIENZA (and wife Grace and son Joseph) ... I posted this census before but wasn't able to understand that relationship between Vito/Angelina Delucca/Rosaria...
What do you think about this??
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Now my brain need a rest!!!! 8O
Re: Lucia DiStefano married Giuseppi(Joseph)Sapienza
Thank you Wldspirit!!
It's fun... you're going to bed and I get up one hour ago!!!!
Laura
It's fun... you're going to bed and I get up one hour ago!!!!
Laura
Re: Lucia DiStefano married Giuseppi(Joseph)Sapienza
So, to resume, this is the list of the Sapienza we've found until now:
Domenica 1875 married with Motta Salvatore
Vito 1877 married with D'Urso Rosaria
Alfio May 10, 1884 married with Rosaria ??
Rosa 1887
Maria 1890 married with Garozzo Michele
Salvatore 1891 married with Deluca Agostina
Francesco April 4, 1893 married with Grace ??
Eugenio March 6, 1896
Anna 1899 married with Romeo Barbarino
and here is the 1930 Census for ALFRED SAPIENZA living with wife Rosarie and sons Lucille, Joseph and Marie in 323 Sackett Street NY (the same Address of Frank in the years before, Frank in 1930 Census was living in 60 th Street Brooklyn, maybe Frank left the house to his brother)
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Domenica 1875 married with Motta Salvatore
Vito 1877 married with D'Urso Rosaria
Alfio May 10, 1884 married with Rosaria ??
Rosa 1887
Maria 1890 married with Garozzo Michele
Salvatore 1891 married with Deluca Agostina
Francesco April 4, 1893 married with Grace ??
Eugenio March 6, 1896
Anna 1899 married with Romeo Barbarino
and here is the 1930 Census for ALFRED SAPIENZA living with wife Rosarie and sons Lucille, Joseph and Marie in 323 Sackett Street NY (the same Address of Frank in the years before, Frank in 1930 Census was living in 60 th Street Brooklyn, maybe Frank left the house to his brother)
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Re: Lucia DiStefano married Giuseppi(Joseph)Sapienza
Various records that sure can be helpful to Tiger...
SSDI for Eugenio V. Sapienza
Name: Eugene V. Sapienza
SSN: 054-07-9917
Last Residence: 11375 Flushing, Queens, New York, United States of America
Born: 6 Mar 1896
Died: 13 Jun 1992
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (Before 1951 )
U.S. Phone and Address Directories, 1993-2002
about Eugene V Sapienza
Name: Eugene V Sapienza
Address: 9000 Shore Rd
City: Brooklyn
State: New York
Zip Code: 11209
Phone Number: xxxxxxxxxx
Residence Years: 1993 1994
New York County Supreme Court Naturalization Petition Index, 1907-24
about Salvatore Sapienza
Name: Salvatore Sapienza
Address: 38 Monroe St.
Date: 30 Jul 1912
Page #: 178
and SAPIENZA VITO, wife ROSARIA DURSO, sons GIUSEPPE and SEBASTIANO 1929 arrival leaving in Italy his brother ANGELO in Belpasso (now we know the name of another Sapienza Brother!!) and returning to their house in New York, 34 Thompson Place - Brooklyn:
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page 2:
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List of detained Aliens for Alfio Sapienza in March 1907 arrival (going to Brother in Law Salv. Motta in Cherry Street NY):
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SSDI for Eugenio V. Sapienza
Name: Eugene V. Sapienza
SSN: 054-07-9917
Last Residence: 11375 Flushing, Queens, New York, United States of America
Born: 6 Mar 1896
Died: 13 Jun 1992
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (Before 1951 )
U.S. Phone and Address Directories, 1993-2002
about Eugene V Sapienza
Name: Eugene V Sapienza
Address: 9000 Shore Rd
City: Brooklyn
State: New York
Zip Code: 11209
Phone Number: xxxxxxxxxx
Residence Years: 1993 1994
New York County Supreme Court Naturalization Petition Index, 1907-24
about Salvatore Sapienza
Name: Salvatore Sapienza
Address: 38 Monroe St.
Date: 30 Jul 1912
Page #: 178
and SAPIENZA VITO, wife ROSARIA DURSO, sons GIUSEPPE and SEBASTIANO 1929 arrival leaving in Italy his brother ANGELO in Belpasso (now we know the name of another Sapienza Brother!!) and returning to their house in New York, 34 Thompson Place - Brooklyn:
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page 2:
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List of detained Aliens for Alfio Sapienza in March 1907 arrival (going to Brother in Law Salv. Motta in Cherry Street NY):
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Re: Lucia DiStefano married Giuseppi(Joseph)Sapienza
SAPIENZA ANNA, Husband ROMEO Barbarino and son Antonino in 1930 census....
Name: Barbarino Romeo
Home in 1930: Uniontown, Fayette, Pennsylvania
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Anna
Race: White
Occupation:
Education:
Military Service:
Rent/home value:
Age at first marriage:
Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Barbarino Romeo 36
Anna Romeo 30
Anthony Romeo 13
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Laura
Name: Barbarino Romeo
Home in 1930: Uniontown, Fayette, Pennsylvania
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Anna
Race: White
Occupation:
Education:
Military Service:
Rent/home value:
Age at first marriage:
Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Barbarino Romeo 36
Anna Romeo 30
Anthony Romeo 13
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Laura
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Re: Lucia DiStefano married Giuseppi(Joseph)Sapienza
Great finds Laura. I'm glad you found Anna's manifest. Now the names Tiger listed at the beginning of the thread all have manifests, approximate birth years, spouses and some of their children.
Le grande scoperte Laura. Sono contento che lei ha trovato il manifesto dell'Anna. Adesso la Tigre di nomi ha elencato all'inizio del filo tutti il ha i manifesti, avvicina gli anni di nascita, i coniugi ed alcuni dei loro bambini.
Tiger said there were 14 children for Giuseppe and Lucia. I'm wondering if any of the remaining 5 children made at least one trip to america. Tiger also said that Giuseppe was married before Lucia and had 3 children, I'm wondering if any of those children made trips to america too.
La tigre detta c'erano 14 bambini per Giuseppe e Lucia. Mi domando se il rimanere 5 bambini hanno fatto un viaggio a America. La tigre ha detto anche che Giuseppe era prima sposato di Lucia e ha avuto 3 bambini come detto dalla Tigre, mi domanda se quei bambini hanno fatto anche dei viaggi a America.
The oldest child we have so far for Giuseppe and Lucia's marriage is Domenica abt 1875 so Giuseppe's 3 children from first marriage must be born before 1875. I will try and check for possible manifests.
Il più vecchio Domenica di bambino nato di 1875 per adesso dai matrimonio.tre di Giuseppe e Lucia i bambini di dal primo matrimonio di Giuseppe prima che 1875 devono essere nati. Tenterò e controllerò per i manifesti che sono possibile.
Elizabeth
Le grande scoperte Laura. Sono contento che lei ha trovato il manifesto dell'Anna. Adesso la Tigre di nomi ha elencato all'inizio del filo tutti il ha i manifesti, avvicina gli anni di nascita, i coniugi ed alcuni dei loro bambini.
Tiger said there were 14 children for Giuseppe and Lucia. I'm wondering if any of the remaining 5 children made at least one trip to america. Tiger also said that Giuseppe was married before Lucia and had 3 children, I'm wondering if any of those children made trips to america too.
La tigre detta c'erano 14 bambini per Giuseppe e Lucia. Mi domando se il rimanere 5 bambini hanno fatto un viaggio a America. La tigre ha detto anche che Giuseppe era prima sposato di Lucia e ha avuto 3 bambini come detto dalla Tigre, mi domanda se quei bambini hanno fatto anche dei viaggi a America.
The oldest child we have so far for Giuseppe and Lucia's marriage is Domenica abt 1875 so Giuseppe's 3 children from first marriage must be born before 1875. I will try and check for possible manifests.
Il più vecchio Domenica di bambino nato di 1875 per adesso dai matrimonio.tre di Giuseppe e Lucia i bambini di dal primo matrimonio di Giuseppe prima che 1875 devono essere nati. Tenterò e controllerò per i manifesti che sono possibile.
Elizabeth
Re: Lucia DiStefano married Giuseppi(Joseph)Sapienza
Buongiorno Elizabeth!
Thank you for write in italian!
Well, one of Giuseppe's sons in Italy was that Angelo named in the 1929 arrival manifest for Vito and family.
Only one thing looks strange for me.... I checked pages and pages of Ancestry.com records and wasn't able to find any census for Rose married with Frank Bonuito in New Castle PA....
Don't want to make confusion but can you give a look at this 1927 arrival manifest? There is listed a Rosa Sapienza (the age matches)returning from Belpasso with her daughters Venasco Glory and Lucia. They are going to the husband/father Frank Venasco in 404 Hawthorne Avenue, Newcastle PA and leaving the son/brother Antonino Venasco in Italy.
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I know there were Sapienza in New Castle coming from another town in Sicily, but the Rose we're talking was from Belpasso... so.... maybe...
Now it's necessary that Tiger check all the record we've found and remove the wrong ones....
Laura
Thank you for write in italian!
Well, one of Giuseppe's sons in Italy was that Angelo named in the 1929 arrival manifest for Vito and family.
Only one thing looks strange for me.... I checked pages and pages of Ancestry.com records and wasn't able to find any census for Rose married with Frank Bonuito in New Castle PA....
Don't want to make confusion but can you give a look at this 1927 arrival manifest? There is listed a Rosa Sapienza (the age matches)returning from Belpasso with her daughters Venasco Glory and Lucia. They are going to the husband/father Frank Venasco in 404 Hawthorne Avenue, Newcastle PA and leaving the son/brother Antonino Venasco in Italy.
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I know there were Sapienza in New Castle coming from another town in Sicily, but the Rose we're talking was from Belpasso... so.... maybe...
Now it's necessary that Tiger check all the record we've found and remove the wrong ones....
Laura
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Re: Lucia DiStefano married Giuseppi(Joseph)Sapienza
I think Tiger needs to tell us if Rosa had children by the names of Glory and Lucia. That way we know for sure. And yes Tiger should let us know which ones are correct and which ones are wrong so we can remove wrong information.
Elizabeth
Elizabeth
Re: Lucia DiStefano married Giuseppi(Joseph)Sapienza
Name: Frank Sapienza
Home in 1930: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: 1893
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Grace
Race: White
Occupation:
Education:
Military Service:
Rent/home value:
Age at first marriage:
Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Sapienza 36
Grace Sapienza 29
Joseph Sapienza 11
Lucy Sapienza 6
Yes this is my Great Grandfather and it is right.
Home in 1930: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: 1893
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Grace
Race: White
Occupation:
Education:
Military Service:
Rent/home value:
Age at first marriage:
Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Sapienza 36
Grace Sapienza 29
Joseph Sapienza 11
Lucy Sapienza 6
Yes this is my Great Grandfather and it is right.
Re: Lucia DiStefano married Giuseppi(Joseph)Sapienza
I think Tiger needs to tell us if Rosa had children by the names of Glory and Lucia. That way we know for sure. And yes Tiger should let us know which ones are correct and which ones are wrong so we can remove wrong information.
Elizabeth
Rose Sapienza married Frank Venasco somewhere around (March 27,1912) manifest-says "brother" Filippo Venasco. They had 3 children Tony(Anthony) Grace,and Lucia. Tony stayed in Italy and had passed away early. Grace married Benjamin Bonuito in Buffalo,N.Y. My Aunt Lucy Sapienza-Cipriano was a Bridesmaid to Grace Venasco-Bonuito.
Thank you and I hope this helps
Maybe Glory was meaning Grace? I am trying to figure out the wrong from the right. I am told they had 17 children altogether after Joseph's first wife passed away Lucia helped take care of all the children.
Elizabeth
Rose Sapienza married Frank Venasco somewhere around (March 27,1912) manifest-says "brother" Filippo Venasco. They had 3 children Tony(Anthony) Grace,and Lucia. Tony stayed in Italy and had passed away early. Grace married Benjamin Bonuito in Buffalo,N.Y. My Aunt Lucy Sapienza-Cipriano was a Bridesmaid to Grace Venasco-Bonuito.
Thank you and I hope this helps
Maybe Glory was meaning Grace? I am trying to figure out the wrong from the right. I am told they had 17 children altogether after Joseph's first wife passed away Lucia helped take care of all the children.
Re: Lucia DiStefano married Giuseppi(Joseph)Sapienza
Thank you Laura. Yes Vito did have a son Joseph and Ben. I just didn't know his wife's name. I am sending this information to my cousin Joe so he can help me verify it all.
Re: Lucia DiStefano married Giuseppi(Joseph)Sapienza
Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Lucia DiStefano married Giuseppi(Joseph)Sapienza
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possible 1910 census
28 Monroe Street, Manhattan
Antonio & Marie La Molge (sister Maria?)
Alfred, Salvatore & Rose Sapienzo
- no mother Lucia
From first page...My cousin doesn't think these people are related.
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possible 1910 census
28 Monroe Street, Manhattan
Antonio & Marie La Molge (sister Maria?)
Alfred, Salvatore & Rose Sapienzo
- no mother Lucia
From first page...My cousin doesn't think these people are related.
Re: Lucia DiStefano married Giuseppi(Joseph)Sapienza
Another piece of this big puzzle!
SAPIENZA MARIA October 30, 1911 second arrival (age 21 year of birth 1890 place of birth Belpasso) married with Garozzo Michele (age 26 place of birth Mascali - Sicily) and children Garozzo Filippo (age 4 born in USA) She was in USA from 1903 to 1911..... It matches with the other records.
They where going to the brother Vito in New York (151 Cherry Street??)
My cousin said..."This information is correct."
SAPIENZA MARIA October 30, 1911 second arrival (age 21 year of birth 1890 place of birth Belpasso) married with Garozzo Michele (age 26 place of birth Mascali - Sicily) and children Garozzo Filippo (age 4 born in USA) She was in USA from 1903 to 1911..... It matches with the other records.
They where going to the brother Vito in New York (151 Cherry Street??)
My cousin said..."This information is correct."