Birth Records in Italy

[bwatenz]

Where would I start looking if I wanted to find a birth record of my ancestors, that were born in Italy. Both Calabria, and Palermo, Sicily

[wldspirit]

Palermo is both a province and a town, Calabria is a region, and within that region is the province of Reggio Calabria.........in order to send for a birth record, you must know the exact town of birth.

If you do not know the exact town of origin, you can sometimes locate this information by locating ship manifest, and other US records.
If you need help in locating records, provide the ancestors full name, birthdate, spouse name, any known children, and the state in which they lived.......we have members here who are great at locating records of interest.
wldspirit

[bwatenz]

ok let me start with the one in Calabria. His name is Giovanno Varvaro, born 1874, in Calabria, Italy. Died 1959, New York. Spouse Maiden name Antonia Trufia born 1878, children Anthony. Giovanno served in the Italian army before emmigrating to the USA. It was some war that was fought in Eutiopia, in the late 1800s. I could not find a ship manifest for him. I was told he came through egypt or canada

The other is Frank Vella Born 1898, Palermo, Sicily, died 1984, New York. Spouse Maiden name Carolina Bonanno, born 1889. Children Joseph, Antonina. I could not find a ship manifest on him either.

[pink67]

Ciao!

here is the date about Frank and Caroline marriage:

Surname Vella
Given Name Francesco
Month of Marriage Jun
Day of Marriage 6
Year of Marriage 1909
County Manhattan
Certificate Number 10805
Soundex V400

Family Name Bonanno
Given Name Caroline
Month of Marriage Jun
Day of Marriage 6
Year of Marriage 1909
Certificate Number 10805
County Manhattan
Soundex B550

Laura

[DMazzie]

Hi,

try this new site from the LDS.

There are many Vella's arriving from the port of Palermo, so you may need to wittle your search down by putting Francesco in the forename box, Vella in the Surname box and Palermo as residence.


http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch

regards,

Darin, Newcastle, England

[DMazzie]

Hi again,

Just a follow-up from my previous post,

There is also a Carolina Bonanno who departed from Napoli.

Regards,

Darin.

[pink67]

Did you found the censuses for all the Vella and Varvaro families?
Could be this 1920 census correct for Vella's family?

1920 United States Federal Census
about Frank Vella
Name: Frank Vella
Home in 1920: Manhattan Assembly District 4, New York, New York
Age: 30 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Katy
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1905
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 733
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Vella 30
Katy Vella 30
Tony Vella 9
Joe Vella 5
Josephine Vella 1 11/12

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If this manifest is correct here is the Worl War Draft Registration card about this Francesco Luigi Vella, living in the same street of the census (it seems Georich, Jeorich street?)

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Frances Luigi Vella
Name: Frances Luigi Vella
City: Manhattan
County: New York
State: New York
Birthplace: Sicily;Italy
Birth Date: 3 Aug 1888
Race: White
Roll: 1765760
DraftBoard: 99

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[vj]

Giovanno Varvaro, born 1874, in Calabria, Italy.
Died 1959, New York.
Spouse Maiden name Antonia Trufia born 1878, children Anthony.
Giovanno served in the Italian army before emmigrating to the USA.
It was some war that was fought in Eutiopia, in the late 1800s.
I could not find a ship manifest for him.
I was told he came through egypt or canada

Varvaro

Is this the correct 1920 census?
1920
Home in 1920:
Babylon, Suffolk, New York

Head John Vararo 45, abt 1875 IT
- immig 1903 Al
Wife Annie Vararo 43, abt 1877 IT
- immig 1905
Son Joseph Vararo 21, abt 1899 IT
- immig 1905
Son Frank Vararo 19, abt 1902 IT
- immig 1905
Son Rocco Vararo 16, abt 1904 IT
- immig 1905
Son Tony Vararo 10, abt 1910 NY
Daughter Tessie Vararo 8, abt 1912 NY
Son Savie Vararo 5, abt 1915 NY
Boarder Tony Cotolone 22
---

Possibly Related Records:

WWI Draft Registration Cards
1918 John
born 15 Dec 1873
1918 son Joseph
born 13 Oct 1899
---

1910 census
Home in 1910:
14 Madison Ave
White Plains Ward 1, Westchester, New York

Head John Parvero 36, abt 1874 IT
- married 13 yrs, abt 1897
- immig 1903 Al
Wife Annie Parvero 34, abt 1876 IT
- 7 children born, 4 children living
- immig 1906
Son Joseph Parvero 11, abt 1899 IT
- immig 1906
Son Frank Parvero 9, abt 1901 IT
- immig 1906
Son Rocci Parvero 8, abt 1902 IT
- immig 1906
Son Tony Parvero 2/12, abt 1909 NY

Boarders:
Augustus Carrcozit 25
Louis Mazantello 20
John Masala 16
Frank Surace 20
Matteo Zotzie 24
---

1905 manifest

27 Jun 1905 SS Sicilian Prince, Messina to NY
Lines 19-22
Antonia Trunfio 28
- last residence Staiti, Reggio Calabria, Calabria
- destination White Plains, NY
- joining husband Giovanni Barbaro at 7 Central Ave
Children:
Giuseppe 6
Francesco 4
Rocco 2

detained passenger page
Line 43

[nuccia]

Perhaps Giovanni's brother?

First Name: Rocco
Last Name: Varvazo
Ethnicity: Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Straiti
Date of Arrival: Oct 12, 1903
Age at Arrival: 27y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Victoria
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0011



http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipM ... 2699060131

[bwatenz]

Rocco is his brother

[bwatenz]

Ok one thing the Census information. Everything seems to match up but the birth dates for Antonia, and Giovanno. They were 4 years apart. Could it be that the Census listed incorrect information? I could see Antonia, as being annie for short. let me know what you think. If that information is correct then I am pretty sure they come from straiti, Calabria, but how could I know for sure? Can I look up Italian birth records online to see if there was a Antonia, and a Giovanno born there? Thanks

[bwatenz]

How can I view Francesco and Caroline's marriage Certificates, as listed above? Thanks

[vj]

How can I view Francesco and Caroline's marriage Certificates, as listed above? Thanks

These may help locate other New York City records:
(besides the marriage record that Laura found)
Dr Steve Morse One Step Search Pages for New York
NY Naturalization
NYC Birth Records 1891-1902requires ancestry.com subscription
NYC Groom Index 1864-1936
NYC Bride Index ????-1937
NYC Death Records 1891-1948
New York Cemeteries (Mts Hebron, Carmel & Zion

Ordering NYC Vital Records
New York City Archives

[vj]

Ok one thing the Census information.
Everything seems to match up but the birth dates for Antonia, and Giovanno.
They were 4 years apart. Could it be that the Census listed incorrect information?
I could see Antonia, as being annie for short.

Census records are very often incorrect by several years.
It depended upon who was giving the information to the
enumerator.
Annie is one of several possibilities for nicknames for Antonia.

If everything else matches up - especially the children's names,
you probably have the correct census record.

Valarie

[bwatenz]

I have the information for Giovanni, so now how would I go about finding his birth record. Thanks.