Searching for Pappalardo relatives

[aredhatlady54]

Hi everyone,

This is my first post. I was excited to find a specialty site like this one. One of my Pappalardo relatives did research that started with Carmelo Pappalardo b. 28 Oct 1894 likely in Sicily, perhaps in Trecastagni, d. 1958 in Chicago. His wife was Maria Torries b. 16 Apr 1898 likely in Sicily, d. 1975 in Chicago. Their eldest daughter, Rosaria (Sadie) was born in Sicily in 1913. She is my grandmother.

I found a ship's manifest for Carmelo's arrival in NY in Oct 1912 on the America out of Naples. It lists his closest relative as father Salvatore from Trecastagni. The manifest also lists the final destination as Chicago with what appears to be a brother, Cosimo on Broadway.

I did not find a manifest for Maria and Rosaria who arrived in late 1913 or early 1914.

I have been unable thus far to find any records that predate their arrival to the US. Any advice would be appreciated.

[vj]

I have been unable thus far to find any records that predate their arrival to the US.
Any advice would be appreciated

Hello Chris and Welcome to the Forum !

Are you familiar with the Family History Library (LDS)?
They have microfilmed records of Trecastagni that you can
order and view at your local Family History Center.
film notes

FamilySearch Home Page
Includes how to find your nearest local Family History Center

Italian Record Research from the FamilySearch research guides:
Italy Research Outline

[aredhatlady54]

Thanks VJ,
I did read some other posts that mentioned that type of research and I will have to try that. I was just wondering if anyone had leads I could follow before I get there.

[vj]

You're welcome, we're always happy to help .

Here's one lead,
possible 1914 manifest
page 2

17 Feb 1914, SS Regina D Italia, Palermo to NY
Lines 22 & 23
Maria Torrési/Torrisi 19, abt 1894
- single?
- last residence Trecastagni
- in Trecastagni, father-in-law Salvatore Pappalardo
- destination Chicago, IL
- joining husband Carmelo Pappalardo at 2252 Wentworth Ave?
- born in Catania
Rosaria Torrési 9 mos, abt 1913
- possible naturalization notation: 11-324934 10/14/41 505 No c/a

special inquiry page

Note: currently there are 255 folks in Trecastagni
with the surname Torrisi and
13 folks with the surname Torresi

Are you OK with the rest of your US records?
(census, military, etc)

Thanks! Valarie

[vj]

Another clue?:
If this is the correct 1920 census, it appears that
Carmelo has two brothers living with him on
LaSalle St
possible 1920 census

Home in 1920:
2334 LaSalle St
Chicago Ward 1, Cook (Chicago), Illinois

Head Carmer Populari 28, abt 1892 IT
- immig?
- presser, tailor shop
Wife Mary Populari 24, abt 1896 IT
- immig 1913 Al
Daughter Sadie Populari 7, abt 1913 IL
Son Sam Populari 5, abt 1915 IL
Son John Populari 1 11/12, abt 1918 IL

Brother Dominic Populari 27, abt 1893 IT
- immig 1905 Al
- presser, tailor shop
Brother Sam Populari 29, abt 1891 IT
- immig 1905 Al
- presser, tailor shop
Niece Sarah Populari 14 IL
Nephew Charles Populari 9 IL
Niece? Frances Populari 28, abt 1892 IT
-immig 1905 Al
- presser, tailor shop
Nephew Sam Populari 7 IL
Nephew Charles Populari 12 IL

[aredhatlady54]

Wow Valarie,

That's great info! The names of the younger children and the approx birth years match Grandma's sibs. I attached that record to my family tree in ancestry.com. I added the brothers, too. I'll wait to see if I can sort out the parents of the nieces and nephews before I add them.

The ship's manifest appears to match too. You must be quite a whip when in comes to performing the searches. I would not have known to look at an alternate name like Populari.

Thanks for your help! I'll still be searching for earlier ancestors.

BTW, what did you mean about US records? I haven't found much...

[vj]

Hi Chris!
Thanks! Searching on ancestry.com does take a bit of practice.
Did you find Carmelo's WWI Draft Registration Card & the
family's 1930 US census?
Valarie

[aredhatlady54]

Valarie,

No, I did not find the 1930 census for the family. My grandmother was already married with 1 child in 1930, but I did not find her under her married name either. She married my grandfather Albert Yarious (changed from Iorio or Di Iorio) in 1928. I haven't found much about that family either...

My grandmother just celebrated her 95th birthday and although she's not too well, she still has most of her senses. I plan on calling my Aunt for more info from them.

No I did not find draft cards for Carmelo or his brothers. This gets very complicated, but it sure is fascinating! I've only been doing it for 2 wks and I've lost countless hours of sleep doing research. And that's only on the easy stuff to find!

Thanks again for your help!

[vj]

Hey Chris,
Really nice start on your family page on ancestry:
http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/person.asp ... 1290013904

Just for everyone’s reference, Carmelo & Maria’s 1930 census
(on Chris’s family page under Vera)

1930 census
In Hagar, Berrien, Michigan

Carmel Pappalardo 37
Mary Pappalardo 33
Sam Pappalardo 16
John Pappalardo 13
Frances Pappalardo 11
Charley Pappalardo 8
Dominick Pappalardo 6
Vera Pappalardo 4 2/12
Carmel Pappalardo 2 2/12

[vj]

WWI Draft Registration Cards:

Domenico & another possible brother/cousin Charles/Carlo?
- both at 2334 LaSalle
- Dom. age doesn’t match 1920 census (that happens)
- wives names are on cards

Carmelo
- possible WWI Card, different address, wife & 2 children
- did not sign card
- birth year is off by a few

1918 Domenico
Domenick Papalardo
29 Sep 1885? (written over) in Catania

1918 Charles
Charles Pappalardo
28 Mar 1882 in Trecastagni, Catania

1917 possible Carmelo
Carmello Papolato
Born Oct ? 1891 in Catania

[aredhatlady54]

Valarie,
Thank you!!!! This is great information and it does seem to apply. There was a brother Charles. I have a narrative written by a cousin of my mother's that mentions him. I think there's an Alfred, too. He's in the story. I've now attached that story to Carmelo and Maria. There's no mention of Dominic or Sam, but I'm not ruling them out.

I've been so engrossed in this search that I had forgotten that I did find the 1930 census. I just had not attached it to all the family members. I've done that now.

The draft card for Dominick led me to his family in 1930 and the tree grows more branches.

Today, I also found the Illinois Death Index and found my mother's paternal grandparents death dates under the name Yarious. I still don't know when their names were changed or if I'll be able to trace them back further. This lead me to Anthony (Tony)'s draft card for WWI with an actual birthdate on it. Whoo Hoo!

[vj]

Chris, congratulations on your progress !
(and your taking the time to document your finds )
Finding your g-grandparents siblings is going to make your
eventual search in their Italian records much easier.
I wish I had known to do that myself when I first started
researching my family.
Valarie

[vj]

A bit more on Carmelo's manifest
Valarie

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