Giuseppe Lozito birth tranlation and handwriting help

[Jen5525]

Hi all,

It's been a while since I posted. Thanks for all of the help in the past. I'm wondering if someone can help translate this and help with the handwriting. I'm having a hard time reading some of the writing. Especially important is Giuseppe's parents' names and ages.

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

thanks!
Jen

[Jen5525]

On a related note, I have a question about these birth records.

There appear to be 2 birth records for a Rocco Lozito, child of Giuseppe Lozito and Domenica Lucariello (Lucarella), one in 1884 and one in 1894. I know this happens when the first child dies, the name is given to a subsequent child. However there are records in the US for Rocco #1 (born in 1884) and his birth record in Altamura notes a marriage which is consistent with the US records. There are also US records for Giuseppe indicating his birth year as 1860/1861.

Rocco #1 (1884): Lists mother as Domenica Lucariello & father as Giuseppe Lozito, age 23 (from Grumo, matches above birth for Giuseppe and puts his birth at 1861)

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0


Rocco #2 (1894): Lists mother as Domenica Lucarella & father as Giuseppe Lozito, age 32 (?) son of Rocco. This is consistent with the birth record of Giuseppe I posted about above.

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 6.jpg.html

So, I'm trying to figure this out. Did they name 2 separate children the same name? Or are there 2 sets of parents with almost identical names?!

Thoughts???

Thanks!
Jennifer

[AngelaGrace56]

Hi all,

It's been a while since I posted. Thanks for all of the help in the past. I'm wondering if someone can help translate this and help with the handwriting. I'm having a hard time reading some of the writing. Especially important is Giuseppe's parents' names and ages.

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

thanks!
Jen

Birth No 73: Giuseppe Lozito
Grumo: 15 April 1861
Laura Tetro daughter of Pietro, 24, midwife, living in Grumo, presented a male baby and reported that he was born from Filomena Coladonato, 26, living in Grumo, and from Rocco Lozito, husband of the same, 36 yo, contadino, living in Grumo, on 14 April 1861, at 1 pm, in the house where they lived in Strada Pozzo Vecchio. The new born was given the name Giuseppe.

Giuseppe was baptised on 16 April 1861.

Re the other matter: Not sure. I would need to take a closer look at the records, but it "seems like" they are the same and they possibly did name two sons Rocco??? You would need to research this. Have you found the 1908 marriage record? What was Giuseppe Lozito's father's name?

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Here's the 1908 marriage record if you don't have it: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2043445

Here's the 1908 marriage banns: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2043445

Allegati: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2043445

Angela

[Jen5525]

Angela...you never cease to amaze me! So so so helpful! I hadn't gotten around to looking for Rocco's marriage so this is fantastic! I believe based on Giusepee's birth (and your translation) that Rocco was named after his grandfather (Giuseppe's father). Making it highly likely that he was the first born son.

I have only found 1 birth record for Giuseppe in Grumo, but not Altamura, (which is consistent with what is listed in Rocco #1's birth record). Giuseppe's birth record lists his father as Rocco (which is what is listed in Rocco #2's birth record). It's unfortunate that the 2 birth records didn't include both pieces of information, since then I'd know for sure. But it seems unlikely that there were 2 Giuseppe Lozito's who both married Domenica Lucariella's (though I guess it's still a remote possibility).

Is there anything in the records that you found that helps solve this puzzle? For example, do any of them mention Giuseppe's father's name. If it does, and it's Rocco, then that would go a long way toward confirming the father is the same for both Rocco's.

Also, is there anything that points to Rocco's mother Domenica Lucariello's birth place or age? I have been unable find the marriage between Giuseppe and Domenica. I've looked in Altamura going all the way back to 1878 (Rocco was born 1884) and forward to 1888 when a brother Nicola was born. I've looked in Grumo as well. there are a number of Lozito marriages in Grumo, but not a Giuseppe (unless I missed it). Perhaps they married in Domenica's town (assuming she isn't from Altamura).

I'm pretty stuck!

Jen

[AngelaGrace56]

Hi Jen

I've extracted the vital information from the three birth records of children born to Giuseppe and Domenica which are quite enlightening, I feel:

Birth No 611: Rocco Lozito (Rocco No 1)
Altamura: 15 Septemer 1884
Father: Giuseppe Lozito, of Grumo, 23 (1861), cocchiere, living Altamura.
Mother: Domenica Lucariello, Giuseppe's wife, cucitrice
Rocco born 4 am, 13 September 1884, via La Maggiore, No 30, presented and named Rocco.
Side Note: Married 26 October 1908, Index 142, Altamura – marries Caterina Panaro
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

Via La Maggiore: https://www.google.co.nz/maps/place/Via ... 16.5529595



Birth 401: Nicola Lozito
Altamura: 7 May 1888
Father: Giuseppe Lozito, of Grumo Appula (Apulia), son of Rocco, 28 (1860), cocchiere, living Altamura.
Mother: Domenica Lucarelli, wife of Giuseppe, cucitrice
Nicola Born 9 pm, 5 May 1888, Via Trinita, No 5, presented by father and given the name Nicola.
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 7.jpg.html

Via Trinita: https://www.google.co.nz/maps/place/Via ... 16.5559027


Birth No 1: Rocco Lozito (Rocco No 2) (Still Born)
Altamura: 1 January 1894
Father: Giuseppe Lozito, son of Rocco, 32 (1862), cocchiere, living Altamura
Mother: Domenica Lucarella, Giuseppe's wife, donna di casa (housewife)
Rocco born 1 am, 1 January 1894, via S. Teresa, no number, and named Rocco, and was recognised to be without life.

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 6.jpg.html
Via Santa Teresa: https://www.google.co.nz/maps/place/Via ... d16.551543

I'll take a closer look at the marriage records as well for you. Hopefully I'll get back to you today.

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Marriage No 142: Rocco Lozito e Caterina Panaro
Altamura: 26 October 1908, 5 pm
Groom: Rocco Lozito, unmarried, 24, calzolaio, born/residing Altamura, son of Giuseppe, and Domenica Lucariello, both residing Altamura.

Bride: Caterina Panaro, unmarried, 19, casalinga (domestic), born/residing Altamura, daughter of Pasquale and Irene Pignatelli, both residing Altamura.

Banns posted 27 September and 4 October 1908.

(Respective) parents of the couple gave their consent.

The bride was illiterate so unable to sign but you'll see Rocco's signature there at the base of the record.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2043445


The marriage banns give a little extra information, mainly pertaining to the parents, but not what we are looking for:

Marriage Banns No 141: Rocco Lozito e Caterina Panaro
Dated 25 September 1908, 11 am, Altamura

Appearing was:
Giuseppe Lozito, 44 (1864), cocchiere (coachman), residing Altamura, father of Rocco Lozito, 24, calzolaio (cobbler/shoe maker), residing Altamura, and son of Domenica Lucariello, casalinga, residing Altamura.

Also appearing was:
Pasquale Panaro, 62, contadino, residing Altamura, father of Caterina Panaro, 19, casalinga, residing Altamura, daughter also of Irene Pignatelli, contadina, living Altamura.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2043445


Unfortunately, apart from the Birth Extract of Caterina Panaro, there is no added information contained that I can see: Birth Extract Caterina Panaro https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2043445

The allegati pertaining to this marriage starts with a cover sheet.
Then Birth Record Extract of the Groom, which you already have.
Then Birth Record Extract of the Bride (born 1888 Act No 879)
followed by the Marriage Banns which you already have.


Angela

[Jen5525]

Angela...that's terrific information! I can't thank you enough! The key piece is the stillborn death of Rocco #2. I don't (yet) have enough Italian to have caught that. Unusual still to use the name since they had a living son with that name already, but less unusual I suppose with him being stillborn.

Thanks also for the marriage documents and translations! very very appreciative!!!!

Thank you , thank you, thank you!!!!

[Jen5525]

One more interesting finding in the family. Rocco's brother Nicola Lozito (whose birth you found above) married an Olympia Fanelli; they appear to have married in the US.

Based on her birthdate in US records, I found Olympia's birth in Grumo. Here is where it gets interesting: Her father was Giuseppe Fanelli and her mother was Antonia LOZITO (there is a passenger slip of her going to the US with her nephew Rocco).

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

I found the marriage of Giuseppe Fanelli and Antonia Lozito.

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0


And, it appears that she is the sister of Giuseppe Lozito (father of Nicola and Rocco); the names are the sames as those in the very first post for Giuseppe above, correct?

So Nicola Lozito and Antonia Fanelli would be first cousins?!?!

[Jen5525]

This appears to be Antonia Lozito's birth, though it is off by 10 years. Based on the marriage, she was 44 in 1892, so should have been born in 1848. I found her in 1858 (which is consistent with a passenger slip to the US in 1920)

#117
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

[AngelaGrace56]

Marriage No 39: Giuseppe Fanelli e Antonia Lo Zito
Grumo Appula: 13 August 1892, 8.25 pm
Groom: Giuseppe Fanelli, vedovo (widower), 47, contadino, born/residing in Grumo Appula, son of deceased Domenico, who resided in Grumo when living, and of the deceased Olimpia Siciliano, who also resided there when living.

Bride: Antonia Lo Zito, vedova (widow), 44(1848), casalinga, born in Grumo Appula, residing said town, daughter of Rocco, residing in Cassano (all'Ionio? Cosenza), and of the deceased Maria Filomena Coladonato, (who had) resided in Grumo Appula.

Banns posted 24 and 31 July 1892.
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

It would be good to look for her first marriage in case there is some good allegati with it.

What I would be inclined to do is, when looking for the surname "Lozito" look under "z" as well, incase it is listed as "Zito lo"). Maybe that's why we've missed Giuseppe and Domenica's marriage record? I've looked for it as well and not found it (that was earlier, before you told me that you had looked for it).

Marriage Banns gives the following added information:
Included in the allegati, which arn't on line, were:
Death Extract of Margherita Mercurio, who was the wife of Giuseppe Fanelli
Death Extract of Michele Antonelli, who was the husband of Antonia Lozito, and who died in this town on 20 October 1888.
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0



Birth 197: Olimpia Fanelli daughter of Giuseppe and Antonia
Grumo Appula: 10 June 1893, 8.05 am
Father: Giuseppe Fanelli, 46, contadino, living Grumo,
Mother: Antonia Lozito, Giuseppe's wife, casalinga
Born: 9 am, 7 June 1893, via Gelso, No 16, presented, and named Olimpia.
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0
Via Gelso: https://www.google.co.nz/maps/place/Via ... 16.7081761

You've been busy, Jen! Great finds.

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

One more interesting finding in the family. Rocco's brother Nicola Lozito (whose birth you found above) married an Olympia Fanelli; they appear to have married in the US.

Based on her birthdate in US records, I found Olympia's birth in Grumo. Here is where it gets interesting: Her father was Giuseppe Fanelli and her mother was Antonia LOZITO (there is a passenger slip of her going to the US with her nephew Rocco).

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

I found the marriage of Giuseppe Fanelli and Antonia Lozito.

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0


And, it appears that she is the sister of Giuseppe Lozito (father of Nicola and Rocco); the names are the sames as those in the very first post for Giuseppe above, correct?

So Nicola Lozito and Olympia Fanelli would be first cousins?!?!

Yes, it's amazing what we discover when we go digging into our history.......

Great detective work, Jen. I look forward to seeing more. (Just in case you miss them, I've added two more translations in my previous post to this one here.)

Edit to Add:
1882 – First Marriage of Antonia Lozito to Michele Antonelli
Filomena Coladonato was deceased and Rocco was still living in the town, at this stage.
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

Angela

[Jen5525]

Thanks again Angela, You have no idea how much your help is appreciated!!!!! And I had suspected a first marriage given their ages, but again, didn't catch the 'widow" reference. My Italian is going improve by leaps from your help

[Jen5525]

Thanks again Angela,

You have no idea how much your help is appreciated!!!!! And I had suspected a first marriage given their ages, but again, didn't catch the 'widow" reference. My Italian is going improve by leaps from your help .

And this helps with the birth date contradiction for Antonia as she is 24 in the first marriage which corresponds to the birth record I've found. Perhaps they wrote her age incorrectly in the 2nd marriage? Her second husband was in his 40's and perhaps they just mistaken put 44 instead of 34 when they got to her age.

Jen

[Jen5525]

Angela

I think I found the allegati for Giuseppe Fanelli and Antonia Lozito marriage in 1892 online on family search. Starts at image 618! Would you mind taking a look??!

If I'm right, her birth certificate is included and has a date of birth of 1858. But they continued to write her age as 44 in all of the marriage documents, when she should have really been 34. So strange!

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2043445

thanks!!!!

Jennifer