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Please help with the death of Leonardo Cosentino

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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2046915

I think the date is December 25, 1650

second down on the right

Death of Leonardo, son of living Pietro and deceased Melchiora Cosentino,ats Sapia (what does this mean???) of Monreale, age (I can't read, looks like 30, 50, 60, or 80. 80 can't be right, though because his father is still alive)
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I would say 30.
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I read it as "30".
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liviomoreno wrote: 03 Oct 2020, 16:49 I would say 30.
darkerhorse wrote: 03 Oct 2020, 17:18 I read it as "30".
Thank you Livio and darkerhorse, what does "ats Sapia" mean, though?
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If your reading is correct, that it's "ats sapia" then "ats" could be an abbreviation for "aetas" which is Latin having to do with age, generation or time period. "Sapia" sounds related to "sapere" meaning to know or to name. But, that's unexpected -
ages known - I would have expected ages unknown, so I'm stumped.

If "Sapia" is capitalized, could it refer to a place?
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Edward Keeports wrote: 04 Oct 2020, 04:14
liviomoreno wrote: 03 Oct 2020, 16:49 I would say 30.
darkerhorse wrote: 03 Oct 2020, 17:18 I read it as "30".
Thank you Livio and darkerhorse, what does "ats Sapia" mean, though?

Sapia is a surname, so my understanding from what I have read here on the forum is that "ats" means "alias" or "also known as" ie "also known as Sapia".

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semu d'accordu.

ata Sapia also appears in the margin under the name - Leonardo Cosentino, alias Sapia.
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AngelaGrace56 wrote: 04 Oct 2020, 19:13
Edward Keeports wrote: 04 Oct 2020, 04:14
liviomoreno wrote: 03 Oct 2020, 16:49 I would say 30.
darkerhorse wrote: 03 Oct 2020, 17:18 I read it as "30".
Thank you Livio and darkerhorse, what does "ats Sapia" mean, though?

Sapia is a surname, so my understanding from what I have read here on the forum is that "ats" means "alias" or "also known as" ie "also known as Sapia".

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darkerhorse wrote: 04 Oct 2020, 18:13 If your reading is correct, that it's "ats sapia" then "ats" could be an abbreviation for "aetas" which is Latin having to do with age, generation or time period. "Sapia" sounds related to "sapere" meaning to know or to name. But, that's unexpected -
ages known - I would have expected ages unknown, so I'm stumped.

If "Sapia" is capitalized, could it refer to a place?


Thank you Angela and darkerhorse! I think Sapia was originally a Jewish surname, so maybe it was changed to Cosentino to avoid persecution?
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I've never heard that about Sapia, but I've been told Zimmer was often changed to Zimmitti in Sicily.
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