Sicilian church record town of origin

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Here's the death record of Castrenza (Zingone) Vitale of Monreale-May 4, 1820 at about age 90; widow of deceased Giuseppe Vitale. Daughter of deceased Bartolomeo and Paolina Zingone. She received all of the sacraments (Penance, Holy Communion, Extreme Unction (the Last Rites). Buried in the church of S. Antonio.

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erudita74 wrote: 14 May 2021, 03:00 Here's the death record of Castrenza (Zingone) Vitale of Monreale-May 4, 1820 at about age 90; widow of deceased Giuseppe Vitale. Daughter of deceased Bartolomeo and Paolina Zingone. She received all of the sacraments (Penance, Holy Communion, Extreme Unction (the Last Rites). Buried in the church of S. Antonio.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2046915
Erudita... fantastic. Thank you so much. I have reached another road block and would appreciate your assistance.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=988561

Middle right, #32. Marraige of Ignazio Vitali and Giuseppa D'Amico. I can't seem to find the marriage record of Ignazio's parents Antonio and Rosalia. (or Ignazio's baptism, but I would love to find Iganzio's grandparents.)
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Middle right, #32. Marraige of Ignazio Vitali and Giuseppa D'Amico. I can't seem to find the marriage record of Ignazio's parents Antonio and Rosalia. (or Ignazio's baptism, but I would love to find Iganzio's grandparents.)
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I believe this record indicates that Ignazio is from another town (after Rosalia's name and ab in the record). I thought it might be Chiusa Sclafani, but I went through the online baptism indices and only found a Francesco Vitali who was baptized on July 21, 1744 with parents Matteo and Silvestra (parish of Santa Caterina). I need someone else to try to decipher the town name in the record, as I'm at a complete loss with this one.
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erudita74 wrote: 21 May 2021, 13:33
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=988561

I believe this record indicates that Ignazio is from another town (after Rosalia's name and ab in the record). I thought it might be Chiusa Sclafani, but I went through the online baptism indices and only found a Francesco Vitali who was baptized on July 21, 1744 with parents Matteo and Silvestra (parish of Santa Caterina).
Here is a better look at the marriage. Very bottom. Maybe I'm wrong, but It looks like they're from Monreale, no?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2046915

If not, it looked like "Chiusa" to me too and I am relatively familiar with records in that town but I was unable to find anything. I did happen to find 4 "Vitali" baptisms around the correct time period whose parents were Antonino and Rosalia in Monreale, however, I haven't been able to confirm if they are Ignazio's siblings nor have I found the marriage record for this couple.

Here is the earliest baptism I found, 25 Dec 1687, top left.

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The marriage record does indicate that the groom was never before married and was of Monreale. What I'm having trouble deciphering is what is immediately after Rosalia Vitali's name. I read "ats," which is used for the word "alias," followed by a name which is difficult to decipher (Cicansi??? but I can't find anything close in spelling in the Monreale indices).
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erudita74 wrote: 21 May 2021, 23:15 The marriage record does indicate that the groom was never before married and was of Monreale. What I'm having trouble deciphering is what is immediately after Rosalia Vitali's name. I read "ats," which is used for the word "alias," followed by a name which is difficult to decipher (Cicansi??? but I can't find anything close in spelling in the Monreale indices).
Interesting, possibly the marriage is under that name.
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erudita74 wrote: 06 May 2021, 17:02 According to the baptism record of Castrenza Rosa Giacoma in 1736, her parents were a married couple of Palermo. I believe it also says that they were living in Monreale
Hi Erudita,

Going back to Paolina Nicosia (married to Bartolomeo Zigone), you found her death record in which it stated her parents were Salvatore and Sebastiana Nicosia. I have found a few marriages who had these same parents and here is one of them: Pietro Nicosia (bottom left #54)

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I believe it states that his parents were from Palermo and that he was born in Monreale?
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Marriage record says he was never before married, of the city of Palermo, from infancy from this city of Monreale. I take this to mean he was born in the city of Palermo and then the parents relocated to Monreale, when he was an infant. Also the abbreviation in the record for "to live or dwell in" precedes "this city of Monreale."
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erudita74 wrote: 23 May 2021, 03:13 Marriage record says he was never before married, of the city of Palermo, from infancy from this city of Monreale. I take this to mean he was born in the city of Palermo and then the parents relocated to Monreale, when he was an infant. Also the abbreviation in the record for "to live or dwell in" precedes "this city of Monreale."
Got it. Thank you! I would then assume that Bartolomea and Paolina Zingone were probably married in Palermo, and that Paolina’s parents were in fact married there too. Unfortunately I’m not familiar at all with Palermo church records. If you are I would appreciate any assistance but I understand if not as it is a large city. You have been a big help regardless!
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Was out all day yesterday and didn't have a chance to do any genealogy. I believe those families were from the city of Palermo, based on info we've found in the records, but neither my husband nor I have ancestry from Palermo, so I only look at the online records for that area when doing volunteer research, as I've done for you. I just know that Palermo is a big city, and I believe that the records for all churches there are not available online.

I do though want to share with you the following record I had found. I was reluctant to share it, as I can't prove that it is for your Bartolomeo Zingone, but I suspect there could be a misspelling of the surname and might a death record for him, based on his age of death in the record, and we also know that he predeceased his wife. I found it accidentally in one of the indices under the letter G, and the first letter in the record is clearly a G. Yet, I can't find evidence of the surname Gingone. I only know there is a surname Giglione in Palermo. The record is for a Bartolomeo Gingone who was the son of deceased Rocco and Rosa of Monreale. (we did find the first name Rosa among the multiple names of his daughters). This Bartolomeo died at the age of 80. The record is dated Feb 15, 1776, so he would have been born about 1696. Can't find a baptism record for him though. In Monreale, I believe the 1696 baptism records are missing. He was buried in the church of San Polino. His marital status is not given in the record, so we have no spouse's name, which could have confirmed if he was your Bartolomeo Zingone. Here's the link. Just keep the record in case, at some point, you find another record which can confirm if he's your ancestor. (image 252 of 498)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2046915

I'll continue to try to help you, when I have some free time.

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Death of Salvadore Vitali age 40, of Monreale, son of deceased Giuseppe and living Castrenza Vitali. His marital status not given. Buried in the church of S. Paolino. Jan 2, 1813 (image 271 of 427).

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erudita74 wrote: 24 May 2021, 14:34 I do though want to share with you the following record I had found. I was reluctant to share it, as I can't prove that it is for your Bartolomeo Zingone, but I suspect there could be a misspelling of the surname and might a death record for him, based on his age of death in the record, and we also know that he predeceased his wife.
No worries regarding Palermo!

Regarding the death record, very interesting! Considering we've noticed the surname Zingone to be different on practically every record, everything does seem to point to this possibly being the right person and I'd say it's relatively likely in my opinion.

I did a quick search and unfortunately did not find any baptisms or marriages whose parents were Rocco and Rosa Zingone (Have yet to check deaths).

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=988561

Possibly the rest of Bartolomeo's family was in Palermo? Will keep looking.
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meovino wrote: 22 May 2021, 22:44
erudita74 wrote: 21 May 2021, 23:15 The marriage record does indicate that the groom was never before married and was of Monreale. What I'm having trouble deciphering is what is immediately after Rosalia Vitali's name. I read "ats," which is used for the word "alias," followed by a name which is difficult to decipher (Cicansi??? but I can't find anything close in spelling in the Monreale indices).
Interesting, possibly the marriage is under that name.


***I found another record which indicates that the Vitale surname in Monreale did have an alias. Look at the record for Giuseppe Antonino Stefano Vitale. In the margin, you can see the same alias which appears after Rosalia's surname in your record above. (Li Cansi???)-not sure if the first letter is an "L"

Image 412 of448

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in index folio 112

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I am finding a surname "Li Causi" online.

In current Italian white pages

https://www.paginebianche.it/ricerca?qs ... e+%28PA%29

Also seeing it in the baptism indices starting in 1850 as the first part of double surnames. It may be in earlier indices too.

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erudita74 wrote: 27 May 2021, 12:43 I am finding a surname "Li Causi" online.

In current Italian white pages

https://www.paginebianche.it/ricerca?qs ... e+%28PA%29

Also seeing it in the baptism indices starting in 1850 as the first part of double surnames. It may be in earlier indices too.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2046915
Good find! Upon first glance I haven't been able to find the marriage between an Antonino and Rosalia Vitale with the "li Causi" alias in the indices under L or C. Still certainly possible they were married in another town.
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