Birth Certificate ... Cosenza, Italy

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Here is one of her manifests, but she did not sail on this trip. Name in the town Canneto is Galasso.

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0017

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Hi Carmine,

Thank you for locating this information for me. It is, however, a very long shot that this is my grandmother. It might be easier to find my grandfather birth certificate and from there his marriage certificate.

Historical Data on my grandfather:

Domenico Musacco

Immigration to U.S - March 23, 1906 via ship named "Florida"

Born - April 8, 1874 (according to headstone) and "Florida" Manifest

Place of Birth - Canneto di Bari listed On "Florida" Manifest and from family narratives

Captain in Italian Army (family narratives)

All my father's brothers and sisters are deceased and none of their kids have any pertinent information on my grandparents.

If I can find where my grandfather was born and get his birth certificate, it may be easier to get a copy of his marriage certificate and my grandmother's birth certificate. I did search the two sites your provided and came up empty on my search for my grandfather. Any help you can provide me would be very much appreciated.

Thank you,

Steve


johnnyonthespot wrote:For some reason, I am unable to access the record you found; I keep getting an error page instead. Perhaps portions of the site are temporarily offline.

At first glance, the record you found appears to be a marriage record for, I presume, Teresa Galasso. According to the record, she was born in San Michele al Tagliamento in the year 1875, her father's name was Domenico Galasso and her mother was Antonia Neri. The marriage took place in 1896; the "M" references probably refer to the volume and record number within the matrimonio civil records of 1896.

You can request Teresa's birth certificate from San Michele al Tagliamento using the following contact info:

Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Comune di San Michele al Tagliamento
Piazza Libertà n. 2
30028 San Michele al Tagliamento VE
ITALY

Email: anagrafe@comunesanmichele.it (remove the spaces)
Web: http://www.comunesanmichele.it/

PS: San Michele al Tagliamento is located in Venezia/Venice, a very long way from Cosenza...

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Yes.

misbris wrote:Let's take it back a step. Is this your grandfather's manifest?

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0011

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In the family narratives, my grandmother came with her five children from Italy about five or six years after my grandfather (who arrived in 1906) had arrived. He needed to save enough money to send for them all.
misbris wrote:Here is one of her manifests, but she did not sail on this trip. Name in the town Canneto is Galasso.

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0017

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What were the children's names?

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The names I have from the 1920 Census Report is as follows:

Emelia Musacco 16
Michael Musacco 12
Constance Musacco 11
Florence Musacco 7
Nina Musacco 4
Roy Musacco (my father ... born in U.S. 9/27/18
misbris wrote:What were the children's names?

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Here is the text version of the manifest I posted. I am sure it is the correct family, even though the spelling is off.

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/viewT ... 0994090281

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Maybe ... Nina was born in the United States. The manifest makes some sense except the spelling of the the children's surname, first name, and ages. And Emelia is the oldest after all.

You wrote that Teresa never sailed on the manifest with the kids. Who would of had custody of the kids? I wonder about the surname Galona. Is that a misspelling too? If she didn't sail with the kids, when did she sail?



misbris wrote:Here is the text version of the manifest I posted. I am sure it is the correct family, even though the spelling is off.

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/viewT ... 0994090281

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Must be them. Destination on manifest is San Diego. ... That is where my grandfather ultimately resided after his immigration.

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I don't understand what you mean by name in the town Canneto is Galasso... Where do you that on the manifest? Thank you.
misbris wrote:Here is one of her manifests, but she did not sail on this trip. Name in the town Canneto is Galasso.

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0017

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musaccosteve wrote: How will this affect my application for Italian citizenship, if I cannot "prove" this was her.
Steve, I admit to not following this thread closely, but want to point out that you may be unnecessarily chasing something which will likely not be needed for you application (though it would be nice to have for personal reasons).

Most of the consulates in the US it seems do not require birth or death certificates for non-direct line persons; that was certainly the case in New York when I submitted my application in mid-2008. In your case as in mine, it is reasonable to assume that you will need:

a) your own birth certificate and marriage certificate, if applicable
b) your father's birth, marriage, and death (if applicable) certificates
c) your grandfather's birth, marriage, and death certificates

It is almost a certainty that you will not be required to present your mother's or grandmother's birth or death certificates. I know that most of the consulate websites state otherwise, but Italian law and the experience of many previous applicants can be taken into consideration.

By all means, continue to pursue your grandmother's birth certificate, but do not let its absence stop you from submitting your application for jus sanguinis citizenship.
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musaccosteve wrote:You wrote that Teresa never sailed on the manifest with the kids. Who would of had custody of the kids? I wonder about the surname Galona. Is that a misspelling too? If she didn't sail with the kids, when did she sail?
She meant that none of them (Teresa or children) actually sailed on that voyage. If you look again at the actual manifest, http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0017 , you can see that all of the names are lined out. This means that although they had booked passage on this sailing, they did not actually board the ship. There are many reasons why this happened - illness, failure to get to the port in time, problems with documentation, and so on. What we often see is that the same persons sailed on another ship usually within 4 - 8 weeks after the "missed" ship, sometimes they actually sailed on an earlier voyage.

See http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/manifests/left/
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Relatives, perhaps?

Anna Antonia Galasso, aged 27
Filomena Musacco, aged 18
Arianna Musacco, aged 17
Domenico Musacco, aged 8

Coming from Canneto, heading to Los Angeles. Arrived in US aboard SS Cincinatti April 17, 1912.

Lines 2, 3, 4, & 5:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0002

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0002
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Thank you, Carmine. I will follow your recommendations.

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Take a look closely at the actual spellings on the manifest. I believe they were transcribed incorrectly. Galona is actually Galasso, and the children are Musacco. Michele=Michael, Concetta=Constance. Don't know why Angela doesn't appear in census. Nina was born here.

The name Galasso is a name that is common in the town of Canneto. That is why I think that is the correct spelling of Teresa's name and Canneto is probably the town of her birth. However, the manifest states that the family leaves no one in Italy so her parents are either dead or immigrated.

The family does not seem to appear on any other manifests to NY. But they may have sailed into another port.

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