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Doing family research and have hit a major roadblock. Great grandfather Aquilino Rodoni (1851-1937 ish) married Florinda Lidia Mattei (1861-1948 ish) whom we've been told was married previously and had a daughter Stella Mattei (1888- ). We haven't been able to find ANY information regarding either (Florinda or Stella) prior to Florinda's marriage to Aquilino. It's believed that Florinda & Stella were both born in Switzerland, but that family came from Italy. I spoke with someone from Swiss genealogy who indicated Mattei is Florinda's previous marriage / husbands name. We can't find any marriage or birth records for either Florinda or Stella.
Also trying to find any Rodoni link to Italy.
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Hi Michelle, by 1910 census, Florinda arrived on 1893 abt, and I believe travelled with her maiden name:

Florinda Rodoni

United States Census, 1910

Name Florinda Rodoni
Event Type Census
Event Date 1910
Event Place Sunset, Merced, California, United States
Gender Female
Age 45
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) White
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Wife
Birth Year (Estimated) 1865
Birthplace Switzerland
Immigration Year 1893
Father's Birthplace Switzerland
Mother's Birthplace Switzerland
Sheet Letter A
Sheet Number 19

Household

Role

Sex

Age

Birthplace

Aquiloni Rodoni Head M 57 Switzerland
Florinda Rodoni Wife F 45 Switzerland
Roy Rodoni Son M 14 California
Henry Rodoni Son M 12 California
Dora Rodoni Daughter F 10 California
Florence Rodoni Daughter F 8 California

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Ok... I am still confused. I've been able to find the census information and possible arrival date, however the best guess information was that she arrived in 1893 abt, married Aquilino Rodoni in 1894. Married name: Rodoni, told maiden name was Mattei, but I am unable to verify that information and am unable to locate any records of a Florinda Mattei arriving in 1893. And on top of that, we've been told that she had been previously married and had a child, Stella Mattei. I cannot find any information on Florinda or Stella, prior to the approximate arrival of Florinda in 1893. No information on Stella arriving in the United States and had she arrived with Florinda, she would have been approximately 5 years old.
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yes I understand...
however maybe you don't have the 1900 census.. the names are mispelled but the important thing is that the data are abt right family, and in a search we must find the more old record in USA, because the data was no missed or changed or americanized.... so more affordable...
Florence Radina

United States Census, 1900

Name Florence Radina
Event Type Census
Event Year 1900
Event Place Township 5, San Mateo, California, United States
Gender Female
Age 38
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) W
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Wife
Number of Living Children 4
Years Married 5
Birth Date Dec 1862
Birthplace Switzerland
Marriage Year (Estimated) 1895
Immigration Year 1893
Father's Birthplace Switzerland
Mother's Birthplace Switzerland
Mother of how many children 4

Household

Role

Sex

Age

Birthplace

Ocalina Radina Head M 47 Switzerland dec 1853
Florence Radina Wife F 38 Switzerland
Gosea Radina Daughter F 13 Switzerland dec 1887
Rory Radina Son M 5 California
Henry Radina Son M 2 California
Zeodora Radina Daughter F 1 California
Venanyi Tonola Boarder M 29 Switzerland
Govanaji Gocatellli Boarder M 24 Italy

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... cc=1325221
so the immigration is 1893.... and the daughter born from previous marriage was no named Stella, seeming to me she had a different first name, really...
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Thank you for the help. I'll continue to search the misspelled name. I'll pursue other routes for Stella. I do know Stella married Joseph S Abrams (44), when she was 35. I found a marriage license announcement in an old Italian newspaper.
I feel like I'm so...close to getting some answers and yet still so far away from the truth.
Thanks again, Michelle
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One more question... any thoughts as to what Gosea could've been mistaken for? Phonetically it's not even close to Stella. The closest I get is Sofia, Sophia, etc or it's possibly Giosi
Any thoughts would be great in helping me decipher this misspelling.
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I believe Stella is the name used in adult age in USA, because by the census, seeming very close to Giosi or Giosie or so, however a diminutive of Giuseppina (Josephine)...
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Ok...just found shipping manifest with the name Costella Rodoni. Guessing that's a new bread crumb.
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Mrodoni wrote: 30 Mar 2017, 07:36 Ok...just found shipping manifest with the name Costella Rodoni. Guessing that's a new bread crumb.
Located this manifest (may be the same one you found) for Costella Rodoni in 1900.
Names are crossed out which could mean that they are listed somewhere else on the manifest, or did not sai.

On the line above Costella is Aquilino Rodoni, and on the line below Costella is Roy.
Costella is listed as age 11 and 1/2, and Roy is 4 yo.

Costella Rodoni

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Name: Costella Rodoni
Arrival Date: 8 Oct 1900
Birth Date: abt 1889
Age: 11 Years 6 Months
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Swiss
Port of Departure: New York
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: La Touraine

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/74 ... PUBJs=true

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I ordered the married certificate of Aquilino & Florinda, as well as grandfather's birth certificate to check the names listed.
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Hello everyone,
I'm yangdon a Tibetan girl resident in Rome Italy 🇮🇹 since from 4 years with 5 years asylum documents of Italy refugee and getting married in Swiss with my fiance he is resident on Swiss Geneva and so, head office of Swiss bern asking me to bring certificate of capacity to Marry only from comune di Rome but they are saying I cannot get this certificate because I'm not citizen of Italian ....
What I can do now and from where I can get this document??? Plz help me and give some information
Thank your help,
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In effects you don't are a italian Citizen, so I believe that this certificate must be issued from your tibetan birthplace.... maybe you and your fiance can marry in Roma, maybe more easy...who know...
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Hello suanj,
Thank you very much to read and response for my message , yeh you are absolutely right but for me it's very complicate because I was escaped from the China accupation in Tibet and took refugee in Italy that's I cannot get any of the documents from tibet it's all ruled my china I'm helpless now ... that's why I made all of the documents which required to marry with help of Italy government except certificate of capacity to marry ,I think there something way for me to make this document from Rome Italy but I really don't know from where because of lack information about this and also I don't have any one in Italy to help me , I'm exhausting now 😰But I'm trying ,
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Greetings,
I am still searching for family heritage / lineage. I've been able to add info, but it's incomplete.

Aquilino Rodoni:
My great-great-grandfather Defendente Rodoni, b. 09.05.1822 (9th of May), was the son of Carlo, b. 16.01.1775 (his parent’s names were Giuseppe and Caterina, born Papa), and Crista Caprara, b. 15.07.1781 and d. 09.02.1865 (her parent’s names were Giovanni and Marianna, born Rodoni). Defendente married twice: on the 25th of April 1847 he married Teodora Papa (29.06.1827 – 22.01.1866), daughter of Giovanni (24.03.1797 – 22.04.1868) and Maria, born Carletti (03.04.1801 – 10.02.1846); the couple had 8 children:

1. Giovanni Antonio Serafino (17.02.1848 – 17.01.1849).

2. Serafino Virgilio (b. 04.01.1850).

3. Aquilino (b. 18.12.1851) – your great-grandfather.

4. Alessandro (20.02.1854 – 27.05.1854).

5. Maria Giuseppa (b. 09.12.1855). She married Cesare Tognola on the 16th of March 1890.

6. Maria Teodora Adelaide (b. 04.11.1857).

7. Teodora (b. 03.08.1862). She married Cesare Maggini on the 3rd of February 1883.

8. Orazio (01.04.1865 – 24.03.1866).

After Teodora’s death, on the 18th of March 1866, Defendente married Adelaide Carletti (b. 14.12.1837), daughter of Carlo Giuseppe and Agostina, born Fogliani. With his second wife, Defendente had 8 more children:

9. Silvio Giuseppe (21.12.1866 – 30.06.1867).

10. Silvia Giuseppa (b. 12.12.1867).

11. Tanfredo Antonio (b. 12.12.1868).

12. Plinio Sebastiano (b. 28.02.1871).

13. Maria Emilia (b. 22.08.1873).

14. Angelica (b. 03.01.1873). She married Vincenzo Fogliani on the 8th of May 1899.

15. Enrico (b. 01.07.1878).

16. Ida (b. 21.02.1880). She married Serafino Rodoni on the 26th of March 1908.

Unfortunately I couldn’t find any other information about Aquilino’s siblings, because the registers of Biasca are not complete.

Maria Addoloratta Florina Mattei:
My great-grandmother was born in Cevio.
My great-great-grandfather was Giovanni Michele (or simply Michele) Mattei (30.11.1827 – 21.01.1893); he was the son of Simone Maria (b. 18.10.1774) and Mariagata Mattei (aside from Giovanni Michele, the couple had seven other children). On the 15th of February 1860, Giovanni Michele married Lucia Traversi (20.10.1834 – 10.03.1911), daughter of Filippo and Marianna Mattei. The couple had 6 children:

1. Maria Addolorata Florina, b. 09.12.1860 – your great-grandmother. As you discovered, Florina was already married once before marrying Aquilino; in fact, on the 3rd of march 1886, she married Silvestro Giuseppe Palla, b. 11.05.1855, son of Giovanni Antonio (01.07.1822 – 22.04.1897) and Maria Giacoma Mattei (12.08.1829 – 07.05.1890). The couple had one daughter:

a. Castilla Aurora, b. 12.12.1886.


Unfortunately I couldn’t find the date of death of Silvestro Giuseppe.

2. Leone (or Leonardo), b. 23.12.1863 and d. before 1939. He married Cornelia Martinoia (b. 29.06.1865), daughter of Carlo and Caterina, b. Traversi. In 1939 Cornelia, who was living in California, gave up the Swiss citizenship.

3. Cesare Ugo (09.12.1866 – 31.10.1899).

4. Vittorio, b. 04.09.1868. On the 8th of February 1894 in California, he married “Sadie”. The register of Cevio indicates that Vittorio and Sadie had 4 children, all born in Pescadero.

a. Michele (b. 1894).

b. Florence (b. 1896).

c. Carlo (b. 1897).

d. Luigi (b. 1899).

5. Ida Olimpia Deodata, b. 02.11.1873. On the 5th of September 1900, she married Giuseppe Zanolini from Linescio (a village near Cevio).

6. Michele Giuliano Alfeo (06.06.1875 – 22.07.1931). On the 16th of April 1901 he married Giuseppina Grassi (17.11.1876 – 29.10.1953), daughter of Gianni Giuseppe and Caterina, born Respini. The couple had 6 children.

A wonderful gentleman with Collaboratore scientifico Archivio di Stato del Cantone Ticino was able to provide me with the above information. If anyone can add to it, it would be greatly appreciated.
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I am of those families of Cevio/Linescio, Vallemaggia, Ticino that came to California. There are currently persons in Australia and America that are mapping the genealogy of this little place. Check out the Mattei Family of Australia facebook page and also there is a lot of discussion on SwissInfo, a project of RSI, the media of Cantone Ticino Switzerland.
For immediate info on the Palla family you can check id # M1L8-VH4 on the Family Search website.
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