Looking for information on the family of John Todaro

[siskojnash]

I am looking for information on the family of John Todaro, and his wife and children. He was born around 1870 in Italy, according to the 1910 and 1920 US Census. His wife, Rose, was born around 1874 in Italy. Their first two children were also born in Italy. Tony was born on July 14, 1895 in Italy. One of the censuses said he emigrated in 1899. John Todaro was born around 1899 in Italy.
Joseph Todaro was born on January 21, 1910 in New York and died on April 16, 1995. I would like to find out exactly where he was born and died, but don't need this line traced. His wife was Clara Castrovinci. Rose Todaro was born around 1906 in New York. Frances Todaro was born around 1912 in New York.
Theodore Todaro was born around 1915 in New York. He had a wife named Grace. He had two children named Grace Todaro and Theodore Todaro, Jr. I'm not certain if they had the same mother or not.
The final child, Alfred Todaro, was born in December 1916 in New York. He had a wife named Eunice and a daughter named Carolyn Todaro. I already found the 1910 and 1920 census for the main family, but would very much like to see and be able to download any other documents that can be found. Thank you very much for your time.

[suanj]

Hi, if this record is abt your Tony Todaro:
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Tony Todaro
Name: Tony Todaro
City: Manhattan
County: New York
State: New York
Birth Date: 14 Jun 1895
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1765975
DraftBoard: 114

well, he was born in Spadafora, Messina province, Sicily, IT...
It could be your ancestor??
suanj

[siskojnash]

I think that's him. The birth date is certainly correct. Would it be possible to please post this WWI document?

[suanj]

here the image of World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Tony Todaro


http://img155.imageshack.us/i/todaro.jpg/

[siskojnash]

Thank you very much for posting that. I wonder what else is available for the family. I tried to search for Ellis Island papers, but wasn't able to find any. I think Rose emigrated with her children Tony and John Todaro in 1899. I was hoping it would give Rose's maiden name. I think her husband emigrated a couple years before.
Joseph Todaro's son told me that he thought the female children in the family died young, since he didn't remember having any aunts, only uncles.
There is apparently a WWII draft card, naturalization index, and also a 1930 census for Tony Todaro. I wonder whether or not the census for Tony Todaro is the right one. It shows up as a hint in my tree, although I don't have access to the documents. There's supposed to be a WWII draft card for Alfred Todaro also. Of course, I don't know if any of this is for the right people.

[suanj]

Hi,

after long and deep search
I found the arrival of Rosa TODARO nee GIUNTA and the 2 sons: Antonio TODARO and Giovanni TODARO, all joining at husband/father Giovanni TODARO in 416 East....( unreadable) New York

the arrivals are in 2 pages;
arrival: Jun 03, 1902 SS Umbria ship

Rosa GIUNTA
First Name: Rosa
Last Name: Guinta (=Giunta)
Ethnicity: Italian
Last Place of Residence: Spadafora
Date of Arrival: Jun 03, 1902
Age at Arrival: 28y Gender: F Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Umbria (1902)
Port of Departure: Napoli
Manifest Line Number: 0030

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0030

next page:
Antonio TODARO ( 7 old in 1902) and Giovanni TODARO ( 3 old in 1902)
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0030

hoping helpful ,
suanj

[siskojnash]

I think this is the family. Could you please post this so that I can download a copy? I would like to be able to show this to people in the family.

[suanj]

It is the right family, surely!

Here the images:
-Rosa Giunta

http://img94.imageshack.us/i/rosaarrival.jpg/


-Antonio and Giovanni Todaro

http://img560.imageshack.us/i/todarochildren.jpg/

bye,
suanj

[siskojnash]

Thank you so much! Do you think it would be possible to find the passenger list for Giovanni Todaro (John) who was born about 1870? I'm starting to suspect that these Todaros came from Spadafora.
Another mystery about this family: He apparently remarried at some point. His son, Joseph Todaro, had a falling out with his father about the new woman and left the house.
For a little while, he ended up staying with his brother, Tony, and his wife, Pauline, until it became clear that he had worn out his welcome as far as Tony's wife was concerned. I only know that Joseph was 'a young man' when his father remarried. I would really like to find out who this woman was, particularly since no one in the family seems to know the name.
It must have happened sometime after 1920, since I found that census, with Rose in the household. I wonder whether or not Rose died, or if there was a divorce. Italian families wouldn't really have divorced in those days though, right?

[suanj]

No doubts that the family coming from Spadafora, IT.

I believe that the 1930 census is this:
1930 United States Federal Census
about John Todaro
Name: John Todaro
Home in 1930: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
View Map
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Todaro 58 widowed no naturalized but he is PA( papers application for naturalization)
Theodore Todaro 15
Alfred Todaro 13

http://img146.imageshack.us/i/1930todaro.jpg/

possible death record of Rosa:

Surname Given Name Age Month Day Year Certificate
Number County
Todaro Rose 55 y Mar 3 1929 6382 Kings
suanj

[siskojnash]

Thank you! According to the census, he emigrated in 1898. I wonder if it would be possible to find his naturalization documents or passenger list. Since John Todaro remarried after Rose died, I wonder whether or not there would be a marriage index or something. According to this census, he was 58, so his birthdate would have been around 1872. I had it as around 1870, but that also came from a census.
I wonder if Joseph, John's son, could have moved back in later, but then didn't like him finding a new wife. It sounds horrible that it created some sort of feud. He lost his wife. Was he just supposed to be alone for the rest of his life? Apparently, it wasn't like he left Rose for someone else, although that would have really shocked me.
I think the Ancestry site had showed a 1930 Census for Tony Todaro, who had been born in 1895. If it's the right Tony, I wonder whether or not he would have been living with his wife.

[suanj]

It hard to soolve this mystery...
I found 3 marriage records:
Surname Given Name Month Day Year County Certificate Number
Todaro John Nov 9 1930 Kings 15297
Todaro John Jan 3 1937 Queens 108
Todaro John Jun 7 1937 Manhattan 15584
if your John Todaro really remarried maybe, the record is :
Todaro John Nov 9 1930 Kings 15297
for bad luck, no bride name... the website until some month ago provided also the bride name, currently changed, no bride name with groom name and so it is no much helpful....
http://stevemorse.org/vital/nymarriages ... ndex=groom

[suanj]

also I believe that your John Todaro was born in 1870 or before maybe, because no WWI draft registration card.. I no found it...

[siskojnash]

There was another John Todaro who was born about 1899, who was his son. That's the one who was supposed to be in the WWI Draft. I wonder whether or not he was a Jr.

[suanj]

your John Todaro jr was born on 21 jan 1899:

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about John Todaro
Name: John Todaro
City: Manhattan
County: New York
State: New York
Birth Date: 21 Jan 1899
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1765975
DraftBoard: 114
electrician profession
http://img39.imageshack.us/i/johntodarowwi.jpg/
and this is your John Todaro jr, son of Giovanni/John Todaro and of Rosa Todaro nee Giunta..
(for coincidence: it was another John Todaro, born on 25 apr 1899 in Messina and son of Francesco Todaro and Rosa Todaro nee Triolo , imm. on Jun 12, 1901- Trave ship http://ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_wei ... &line=0022
also living in Manhattan, BUT is NOT YOUR John Todaro jr)
your John Todaro jr was born on 21 jan 1899 in Spadafora( Messina province, Sicily, IT)