A christmas sicily search
A christmas sicily search
Ciao a tutti! Hope you all had a Merry Christmas! I decided to check out the italian genealogy site and post a request from my new hardware.
I am looking for some kind of documents for my great great grandmother Rosa Piazza and my great great grandfather Giuseppe Canzoneri, not sure where exactly they're from but if where their children were born is any kind of indicator it should be the Bisacquino Sicily area
Rosa Piazza's death certificate say age was about 77 when she passed away which would place her birthday in the 1851 area, her fathers name is listed as Giuseppe Piazza.
Marriage to Giuseppe Canzoneri date is unknown, nor are his exact birth and death.
they had two known children, Mary Vita Canzoneri and Giuseppina Canzoneri, they and their daughters and their daughters husbands Salvatore Gannuscio and Joseph Greco all came to America believed to be around 1900, their grandchildren specified that they originally came to New York, but the quota was full so they had to enter through New Orleans, I have yet to find any kind of immigration document other than word of mouth so that would be something else that would be great to have.
Anything that can be dug up would be cool,
I am mainly looking for, birth/baptism record for Rosa Piazza, Giuseppe Canzoneri, or their daughters even.
Rosa Piazza and Giuseppe Canzoneri marriage document.
Rosa or Giuseppe immigration record.
or anything else I could add to my arsenal
they moved to Chicago after being in New Orleans for a while.
Hope all is well! - Cody
I am looking for some kind of documents for my great great grandmother Rosa Piazza and my great great grandfather Giuseppe Canzoneri, not sure where exactly they're from but if where their children were born is any kind of indicator it should be the Bisacquino Sicily area
Rosa Piazza's death certificate say age was about 77 when she passed away which would place her birthday in the 1851 area, her fathers name is listed as Giuseppe Piazza.
Marriage to Giuseppe Canzoneri date is unknown, nor are his exact birth and death.
they had two known children, Mary Vita Canzoneri and Giuseppina Canzoneri, they and their daughters and their daughters husbands Salvatore Gannuscio and Joseph Greco all came to America believed to be around 1900, their grandchildren specified that they originally came to New York, but the quota was full so they had to enter through New Orleans, I have yet to find any kind of immigration document other than word of mouth so that would be something else that would be great to have.
Anything that can be dug up would be cool,
I am mainly looking for, birth/baptism record for Rosa Piazza, Giuseppe Canzoneri, or their daughters even.
Rosa Piazza and Giuseppe Canzoneri marriage document.
Rosa or Giuseppe immigration record.
or anything else I could add to my arsenal
they moved to Chicago after being in New Orleans for a while.
Hope all is well! - Cody
Re: A christmas sicily search
Heres the church marriage of Giuseppe Canzoneri and Rosa Piazza
1878 July 20th in the church of San Giovanni Battista,Bisacquino
Giuseppe Canzoneri son of Salvatore Canzoneri and Vita Antonia Vuvoli married Rosa Piazza daughter of Giuseppe Pizza and Giuseppa Vaccari
PG LINK TO RECORD BOTTOM RIGHT
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n724467862
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1878 July 20th in the church of San Giovanni Battista,Bisacquino
Giuseppe Canzoneri son of Salvatore Canzoneri and Vita Antonia Vuvoli married Rosa Piazza daughter of Giuseppe Pizza and Giuseppa Vaccari
PG LINK TO RECORD BOTTOM RIGHT
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n724467862
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Re: A christmas sicily search
Record 250
1850 Sept 8th in the church of San Giovanni Battista,Bisacquino
Baptism of Giuseppe Canzoneri son of Salvatore Canzoneri and Vita Vuvoli
PG LINK TO RECORD
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... :650769414
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1850 Sept 8th in the church of San Giovanni Battista,Bisacquino
Baptism of Giuseppe Canzoneri son of Salvatore Canzoneri and Vita Vuvoli
PG LINK TO RECORD
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... :650769414
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Re: A christmas sicily search
Giuseppe was born Sept 6thadelfio wrote:Record 250
1850 Sept 8th in the church of San Giovanni Battista,Bisacquino
Baptism of Giuseppe Canzoneri son of Salvatore Canzoneri and Vita Vuvoli
PG LINK TO RECORD
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... :650769414
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I also believe that the mother is Vita Ruvoli
Re: A christmas sicily search
Thanks guys! I knew you would find something, I believe the Bisacquino Sicily area has been documented fairly well, but let me ask you guys a couple questions, to me on Giuseppes baptism record posted it looks like it says 10 Jan above his name, not september, September is for the guy above him, am I wrong here? also how do you guys go about searching this stuff, do you have to speak latin or go to a certain area of Family search, because I've tried to look myself but you guys always get something for me. With this info as conformation I believe I found his death record, although birth date is wrong
Re: A christmas sicily search
Eodem from Latin, means the same" (place or time), used like "ditto" or "Do" in lists and registers.The question of the date
You have to know some Latin and Italian to translate earlier records of the church of San Giovanni Battista,Bisacquino are indexed by a page number and the first name in Latin like Josephus= Giuseppe then the later records go by the last name both are usually in the front of the years you are searching for Here is the link to records of the church of San Giovanni Battista,Bisacquino Italy, Palermo, Diocesi d...Church Records, 1531-1998
PG LINK
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... %3D2046915
Baptism record of Giuseppa Canzoneri
Record #181
1882 May 3rd in the church of San Giovanni Battista,Bisacquino baptism of Giuseppa Canzoneri daughter of Giuseppe Canzoneri and Rosa Piazza
PG LINK TO RECORD
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... :687636656
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You have to know some Latin and Italian to translate earlier records of the church of San Giovanni Battista,Bisacquino are indexed by a page number and the first name in Latin like Josephus= Giuseppe then the later records go by the last name both are usually in the front of the years you are searching for Here is the link to records of the church of San Giovanni Battista,Bisacquino Italy, Palermo, Diocesi d...Church Records, 1531-1998
PG LINK
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... %3D2046915
Baptism record of Giuseppa Canzoneri
Record #181
1882 May 3rd in the church of San Giovanni Battista,Bisacquino baptism of Giuseppa Canzoneri daughter of Giuseppe Canzoneri and Rosa Piazza
PG LINK TO RECORD
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... :687636656
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Re: A christmas sicily search
So for instance you said Giuseppe Canzoneri was the son of Salvatore Canzoneri and Vita Antonia Ruvoli, so I did a search, and found this in those same church records, it looks like their marriage record in the top right, does that look right to you? I have a hard time reading the cursive sometimes, what do do you think the parents names are? And it looks like it has her first name as something else, mariah maybe?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n182232697
Also one more example and question, I searched for a different set of grandparents in the same records because they were from the same area, there names were Vincenzo Gannuscio and Tommasa Gagliano, and when I searched I found this marriage record that looks really close, but it looks like the name is "Vincentius Cannuscio?" and "Thommasan Gagliano?" Do you think that sounds like a match? Is it normal for Latin to change the names a little bit?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n182232697
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n182232697
Also one more example and question, I searched for a different set of grandparents in the same records because they were from the same area, there names were Vincenzo Gannuscio and Tommasa Gagliano, and when I searched I found this marriage record that looks really close, but it looks like the name is "Vincentius Cannuscio?" and "Thommasan Gagliano?" Do you think that sounds like a match? Is it normal for Latin to change the names a little bit?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n182232697
Re: A christmas sicily search
Vincentius= Vincenzo
Thommasan =Tommasa
That looks like right record
The first one I couldn't tell you for sure looks like Mariantonia
Latin names
http://freereg.rootsweb.com/howto/latinnames.htm
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Thommasan =Tommasa
That looks like right record
The first one I couldn't tell you for sure looks like Mariantonia
Latin names
http://freereg.rootsweb.com/howto/latinnames.htm
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Re: A christmas sicily search
Could you perhaps tell me what you think the parents names are for the above documents?
the first one I think I see josephi Canzoneri and Francisca Ciulla? and I cant make out the other parents
the second one I think I see Magdalena Orlando but I cant make out much else.
the first one I think I see josephi Canzoneri and Francisca Ciulla? and I cant make out the other parents
the second one I think I see Magdalena Orlando but I cant make out much else.
Re: A christmas sicily search
Salvatore Canzoneri son of Giuseppe Canzoneri and Francesca Ciullakodakidd wrote:Could you perhaps tell me what you think the parents names are for the above documents?
the first one I think I see josephi Canzoneri and Francisca Ciulla? and I cant make out the other parents
the second one I think I see Magdalena Orlando but I cant make out much else.
Marianna Ruvoli daughter of Mariano Ruvoli and Filippa Marino
Vincenzo Gannuscio son of Andrea Gannuscio and Margerita Scalisi
Tommasa Gagliano daughter of Vincenzo Gagliano and Magdalena Orlando
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Re: A christmas sicily search
wowow wish my records went back that far……very cool.
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The name in the record looks like Maria Annakodakidd wrote:So for instance you said Giuseppe Canzoneri was the son of Salvatore Canzoneri and Vita Antonia Ruvoli, so I did a search, and found this in those same church records, it looks like their marriage record in the top right, does that look right to you? I have a hard time reading the cursive sometimes, what do do you think the parents names are? And it looks like it has her first name as something else, mariah maybe?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n182232697
Also one more example and question, I searched for a different set of grandparents in the same records because they were from the same area, there names were Vincenzo Gannuscio and Tommasa Gagliano, and when I searched I found this marriage record that looks really close, but it looks like the name is "Vincentius Cannuscio?" and "Thommasan Gagliano?" Do you think that sounds like a match? Is it normal for Latin to change the names a little bit?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n182232697
Latin names change a little bit depending on the case.
Vincentius, Thomasa are nominative
Vincentii, Thomasae are genitive
Vincentium, Thomasam are acccusative
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So keeping that Latin in mind, they could essentially be mentioned using all forms of their name? You think that my document sounds correct then?
Re: A christmas sicily search
The record of 1850 Sept 28th Vincenzo Gannuscio son of Andrea Gannuscio and Margerita Scalisi married Tommasa Gagliano daughter of Vincenzo Gagliano and Magdalena Orlando is right yes
I don't know bout Maria Anna Ruvoli /Vita Ruvoli I would check for a Baptism record for Vita Ruvoli
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I don't know bout Maria Anna Ruvoli /Vita Ruvoli I would check for a Baptism record for Vita Ruvoli
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