Hello,
I have been doing a lot of work on my family tree recently and have had many exciting discoveries. One branch that I have difficulty with is the Italian one. My Grandfathers name was Barbale and his fathers name was Nicola. From what I have located (WWII registration card), I'm pretty sure he was originally from Gasperina, Italy and then came to the US and settled in Massachusetts. Nicola's wifes name was Rose Fabricatore (not sure of the spelling). Rose passed away at a young age and my grandfather and his siblings were split up amongst family members which adds to the difficulty since there weren't strong family ties even among all of the siblings. Any help or direction anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Joe
Barbale in Gasperina
Re: Barbale in Gasperina
Hi Joe,
don't know if this document should be of any help, in the doubt I'll post for you (and just in case you don't have it)
From Ancestry.com (subscription site)
Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
about Nicola Barbato
Name: Nicola Barbato right spell Barbale
Arrival Date: 14 Mar 1911
Age: 17 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ship Name: Romanic
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Gregorio Russe
Last Residence: Italy
Birthplace: Gasperina, Italy
Microfilm Roll Number: 160
He was leaving in Italy his father Gregorio, was born in Gasperina and joining his cousin Gregorio Russo in Boston.
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Laura
don't know if this document should be of any help, in the doubt I'll post for you (and just in case you don't have it)
From Ancestry.com (subscription site)
Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
about Nicola Barbato
Name: Nicola Barbato right spell Barbale
Arrival Date: 14 Mar 1911
Age: 17 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ship Name: Romanic
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Gregorio Russe
Last Residence: Italy
Birthplace: Gasperina, Italy
Microfilm Roll Number: 160
He was leaving in Italy his father Gregorio, was born in Gasperina and joining his cousin Gregorio Russo in Boston.
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Laura
Re: Barbale in Gasperina
Hi Laura,
Thank you for the fast reply.
I have to say I'm surprised at the document you posted. It makes a lot of sense that this may be my Great-grandfather. He was born in 1894 and his eldest sons name was Gregory which could be after his father Gregorio mentioned here.
I do have an ancestry.com membership and reviewed a few Nicola Barbale's on documents like this but they weren't who I was looking for. I wouldn't have thought to look under Barbato but the handwritten documents do leave a bit to interpretation. I am curious about what made you chose this document versus the others, especially since it makes a lot of sense that it may be him. Lastly, do you know how I could research further into the Italian records (his father Gregorio and possibly mother)?
Thank you again,
Joe
Thank you for the fast reply.
I have to say I'm surprised at the document you posted. It makes a lot of sense that this may be my Great-grandfather. He was born in 1894 and his eldest sons name was Gregory which could be after his father Gregorio mentioned here.
I do have an ancestry.com membership and reviewed a few Nicola Barbale's on documents like this but they weren't who I was looking for. I wouldn't have thought to look under Barbato but the handwritten documents do leave a bit to interpretation. I am curious about what made you chose this document versus the others, especially since it makes a lot of sense that it may be him. Lastly, do you know how I could research further into the Italian records (his father Gregorio and possibly mother)?
Thank you again,
Joe
Re: Barbale in Gasperina
Hi Joe...
first I noticed that Barbale is a rare lastname here in Italy, I don't know if you checked this helpful site:
http://www.gens.labo.net/
digit the lastname in "cognome" and you'll see that Barbale is present only in 5 towns in Italy.... So I searched Ancestry.com with possible mispelling and I found out this one....
I found also the 1930 census for Nicola and wife Rose and saw that first son was named Gregory, so I presumed that the arrival manifest possible is the correct one, age matches, destination matches, place of birth matches
....
Found also the Draft registration Card for the first World War:
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Nichols Barbela
Name: Nichols Barbela
City: Worcester
County: Worcester
State: Massachusetts
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Date: 29 Jul 1894
Race: Caucasian (White)
Roll: 1674503
DraftBoard: 3
Place of birth listed: Gasperina
Just for references here is 1930 census:
1930 United States Federal Census
about Nick Barbale
Name: Nick Barbale
Home in 1930: Worcester, Worcester, Massachusetts
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Rose
Race: White
Occupation:
Education:
Military service:
Rent/home value:
Age at first marriage:
Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Nick Barbale 35
Rose Barbale 29
Cathrine Barbale 11
Gregory Barbale 10
Charles Barbale 9
Vincent Barbale 8
John Barbale 5
Alfred Barbale 4
Rose Barbale 2 6/12
Have you noticed that in the second page of the census manifest just a few lines under the last Barbales child there are listed Rose's parents??
Rose was born in New York State but her parents were italian....
here is 1920 census for Rose (just in case you didn't see it )
1920 United States Federal Census
about Carmino Fabricatore
Name: Carmino Fabricatore
[Carmino Falrisator]
Home in 1920: Worcester Ward 4, Worcester, Massachusetts
Age: 45 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Thressa
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Year of Immigration: 1899
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Image: 263
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Carmino Fabricatore 45 head, born in IT
Thressa Fabricatore 44 wife, born in IT
Rose Fabricatore 18 daughter, born in NY
Rose's parents stated they did emigrate in 1899... And Charles italian firstname was Carmine. You'll find on ancestry also the index for his naturalization...
As you know Nicola's birth date and father's name you can write to the Comune of Gasperina asking for an "Estratto per copia integrale dell'atto di nascita di Barbale Nicola, nato il 29 luglio 1894, figlio di Barbale Gregorio"
Herer you can find an interactive form letter to compose the request in italian:
http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwi ... tters.html
here you can find the address of the Comune of Gasperina:
http://italia.indettaglio.it/eng/calabr ... erina.html
Or, if you are familiar with the Family History center you can choose to search by yourself the document between the birth acts of the Comune of Gasperina because the Mormons microfilmed the civil registration of Gasperina:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... ato+civile++
here is the link to find your nearest Center:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... et_fhc.asp
I hope all this helps you!
Laura
first I noticed that Barbale is a rare lastname here in Italy, I don't know if you checked this helpful site:
http://www.gens.labo.net/
digit the lastname in "cognome" and you'll see that Barbale is present only in 5 towns in Italy.... So I searched Ancestry.com with possible mispelling and I found out this one....
I found also the 1930 census for Nicola and wife Rose and saw that first son was named Gregory, so I presumed that the arrival manifest possible is the correct one, age matches, destination matches, place of birth matches
....Found also the Draft registration Card for the first World War:
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Nichols Barbela
Name: Nichols Barbela
City: Worcester
County: Worcester
State: Massachusetts
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Date: 29 Jul 1894
Race: Caucasian (White)
Roll: 1674503
DraftBoard: 3
Place of birth listed: Gasperina
Just for references here is 1930 census:
1930 United States Federal Census
about Nick Barbale
Name: Nick Barbale
Home in 1930: Worcester, Worcester, Massachusetts
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Rose
Race: White
Occupation:
Education:
Military service:
Rent/home value:
Age at first marriage:
Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Nick Barbale 35
Rose Barbale 29
Cathrine Barbale 11
Gregory Barbale 10
Charles Barbale 9
Vincent Barbale 8
John Barbale 5
Alfred Barbale 4
Rose Barbale 2 6/12
Have you noticed that in the second page of the census manifest just a few lines under the last Barbales child there are listed Rose's parents??
Rose was born in New York State but her parents were italian....
here is 1920 census for Rose (just in case you didn't see it
)1920 United States Federal Census
about Carmino Fabricatore
Name: Carmino Fabricatore
[Carmino Falrisator]
Home in 1920: Worcester Ward 4, Worcester, Massachusetts
Age: 45 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Thressa
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Year of Immigration: 1899
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Image: 263
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Carmino Fabricatore 45 head, born in IT
Thressa Fabricatore 44 wife, born in IT
Rose Fabricatore 18 daughter, born in NY
Rose's parents stated they did emigrate in 1899... And Charles italian firstname was Carmine. You'll find on ancestry also the index for his naturalization...
As you know Nicola's birth date and father's name you can write to the Comune of Gasperina asking for an "Estratto per copia integrale dell'atto di nascita di Barbale Nicola, nato il 29 luglio 1894, figlio di Barbale Gregorio"
Herer you can find an interactive form letter to compose the request in italian:
http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwi ... tters.html
here you can find the address of the Comune of Gasperina:
http://italia.indettaglio.it/eng/calabr ... erina.html
Or, if you are familiar with the Family History center you can choose to search by yourself the document between the birth acts of the Comune of Gasperina because the Mormons microfilmed the civil registration of Gasperina:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... ato+civile++
here is the link to find your nearest Center:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... et_fhc.asp
I hope all this helps you!
Laura
Re: Barbale in Gasperina
Laura,
Thank you so much for your help. I am extremely grateful.
The links and information you provided are excellent resources. Hopefully my research will be made a little easier due to the fact that it is a rare last name.
I will now continue my quest and follow your advice about visiting the Family History center and writing to the Comune of Gasperina.
Thank you again,
Joe
Thank you so much for your help. I am extremely grateful.
The links and information you provided are excellent resources. Hopefully my research will be made a little easier due to the fact that it is a rare last name.
I will now continue my quest and follow your advice about visiting the Family History center and writing to the Comune of Gasperina.
Thank you again,
Joe
Re: Barbale in Gasperina
You're very welcome Joe, I'm really glad to help...
Good luck with your search... I love updatings so if you'll find confirmations to all these records would you like to write here?
And of course if you'll need other help here you'll find a very good "team"..
Bye!
Laura
Good luck with your search... I love updatings so if you'll find confirmations to all these records would you like to write here?
And of course if you'll need other help here you'll find a very good "team"..
Bye!
Laura
