Filomena Capaldi husband not known mystery to be solved

[stuartcapaldi]

WWI Civilian Draft Registrations
about Ernesto Mesa
Name: Mesa, Ernesto
Birth Date: Abt 1895
Birth Place: Mexico City Mexico
City/County: Wilmington# 4
State: DE

This application is dated ? Prior to 1919 and in Wilmington, Delaware ?

Any assistance please

[pink67]

Hi Stuart!

this is the description for that database on Ancestry.com:

Description:
This database provides information on 1.2 million men in the United States born between 1873 and 1900 who completed draft registration cards in 1917 and 1918. Information found on these cards generally included, among other information, birth date, birth location, father's birthplace, and the address of next of kin

Laura

[pink67]

1920 United States Federal Census
about Ernest Carpoldi
Name: Ernest Carpoldi
Home in 1920: Chicago Ward 19, Cook (Chicago), Illinois
1073 Harrison street
Age: 28 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Birthplace: Mexico
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Philomena
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1918
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 1128
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ernest Carpoldi 28 born in Mexico (to italian parents)
Philomena Calpo 28 born in Italy (to italian parents)
Angeline Calpo 9 daughter born in Italy (father born in Mexico, mother in Italy)
Leos Calpo 8 son born in Italy (father born in Mexico, mother in Italy)
Emanuel Calpo 2 6/12 son born in Mexico (father born in Mexico, mother in Italy)

this census can help you ....

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[pink67]

here is Carmela's husband obituary:

from Ancestry.com:

CLINTON "CHICK" CHISLETT, 94, of TOMS RIVER
Published in the Asbury Park Press 08/14/05

CLINTON "CHICK" CHISLETT, 94, of TOMS RIVER, died Saturday, Aug. 13, at Manchester Manor. Born in St. Johns, Newfoundland, he lived in Brooklyn most of his life and Florida before coming to Toms River two years ago. He was employed as manager of HC Bohack Supermarket, Brooklyn, until his retirement. He was a charter member of the Elks in Florida and the Knights of Columbus in Brooklyn.
Surviving are his wife of 20 years, Carmela Meza Chislett; a daughter, Carol Sattler of Long Island; a stepdaughter, Carole Manning of Toms River; a brother, George of Florida; a sister, Cora of Florida; five grandchildren, Thomas, Laura, Theresa, Sandy and Michele; and two great-grandchildren, Nicole and Kenny.

Visiting hours will be from 2 to 4 p.m. Monday at "The Family Owned" Carmona-Bolen Home for Funerals, 412 Main St., Toms River. Burial will be at 12:30 p.m. Tuesday at Pine Lawn Memorial Park, Long Island.


Laura

[stuartcapaldi]

Thanks for the recent two items.

The 1920 census is good but they have clearly changed the family name to capaldi or a mis spelling of capaldi. I wonder why.

The Harrison Street location is the same street as Filomena's sister's family the DeSalvis in the 1920 census

Excellent info on Carmela's 2nd husband thanks, also Carmela is yet to be born at 1920 census and she and Manuel take the Meza surname.

I note also that Ernesto born in Mexico of Italian parents ?

Please note I am still awaiting info from my new found cousins which may or may not help.

thanks

[Biff83]

WWII Draft Reg Card for Ernesto Meza
Name: Ernesto Meza
Birth Date: 26 Aug 1892
Residence: 10104 4th Ave
Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Birth: Villahermosa, Tabasco Mexico
Person who will know your address: Manuel Meza

Biff

[suanj]

great find Biff! gratulations!
suanj

[pink67]

Bravo Biff!!!!

so, this may be Manuel Ernesto's son?

Social Security Death Index
about Manuel Meza
Name: Manuel Meza
SSN: 053-XX-XXXX
Last Residence: 773 (U.S. Consulate) Mexico City, Mexico
Born: 23 Jun 1917
Died: Apr 1989
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (Before 1951)

[stuartcapaldi]

Thanks for the further information.

I can confirm that Manuel Meza was Ernesto's son and he was killed in a motoring accident in Mexico. I do not know the details or his residence in Mexico.

The WW1 draft for Ernesto Mesa (s not z) may not be Ernesto Meza's as it looks as if his first record of entering USA is 1919.

The WW2 draft is ok and also his next recorded entry into USA which confirms his only other entry was 1919. He may have been visiting relatives in Mexico and returning to New York where his wife and daughter lived.

Filomena's travels still remain a mystery as there is no record of her entry into USA with a first husband and two older children circa 1913 as claimed by Angeline in the 1930 census.

My thought is, she may have travelled from Italy to Mexico with or without her first husband (name unknown) and her two children Angeline and Leondra.

I may need to search the records in Villa Latina and Picinisco to find any marriage and birth records.

However, how easy is it to search records of entry into Mexico ?

I will do this after the holidays meanwhile "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year" to all on this forum

[stuartcapaldi]

Thanks for all the previous information.

How easy is it to get information on entry records into Mexico?
Are there any records on line?
Would I be able to obtain Ernesto Meza'a birth details in Villahermosa and his Italian parents.

Also where would I search for Filomena and Ernesto's death certificates?

[PeterTimber]

To find the birth details or certificate in Villahermosa, Tabasco State, Mexico you should first write to Direccion, Registro Civil, J.N. Rovirosa Esq Nicolas Bravo, 8600, Villahermosa, Tabasco, Mexico..There is a fee but what it might be now is unknown so your better off writing and asking so that any monies you send don't go even further south while they await the balance if the fee has gone up.

The requirments in mexico is name,date of birth,place of birth and mothers maidenname and fathers name. =Peter=

[pink67]

[quote="stuartcapaldi]Filomena's travels still remain a mystery as there is no record of her entry into USA with a first husband and two older children circa 1913 as claimed by Angeline in the 1930 census.

My thought is, she may have travelled from Italy to Mexico with or without her first husband (name unknown) and her two children Angeline and Leondra[/quote]

Hi Stuart!

you were right, don't know if in the meanwhile you found the arrival, in the doubt I'll post it:

From Ancestry.com:
Hamburger Passagierlisten, 1850-1934 Hamburg Passenger Lists, 1850-1934

about Philomena Capaldi
Name: Philomena Capaldi
Departure Date: 28 Sep 1913
Destination: Vera Cruz
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Age Year: 22
Gender: weiblich (Female)
Family: Household members
Relationship: Mutter (Mother)
Residence: München
Ethnicity/Nationality: Italien (Italian)

Ship Name: Corcovado
Shipping Line: Hamburg-Amerika Linie (Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt-Actien-Gesellschaft)
Ship Type: Dampfschiff, kein Auswandererschiff
Accommodation: Sonstiges
Ship Flag: Deutschland
Port of Departure: Hamburg
Port of Arrival: Havre; Southampton; Santander; Coruna; Vigo; Kuba (Cuba); Mexiko
Volume: 373-7 I, VIII A 1 Band 267
Page: 3391
Microfilm Roll Number: K_1832

she was 22 years old and was travelling with her two child:
Angelica (age 3)
Leander (age 1 3/4?)

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Here the manifest's field description:

Information contained in this database includes:

Name of passenger
Gender
Age
Birth date (or estimated birth year if birth date is not available)
Birthplace
Occupation
Residence
Nationality
Marital status
Relationship to head of family
Religion
Military Service
Final place of destination
Port of departure
Date of departure
Port of arrival
Shipping Line
Ship Type
Accommodation
Ship Name
Which flag sailed under
Source information (page, line, microfilm roll, and series numbers)

Laura

[stuartcapaldi]

Pink67

Laura

Thanks for the information excellent work. However it also raises some more questions

This confirms the Munich connection with my Capaldi family. As her parents both worked in Munich and her brother, my grandfather was born in Munich. But continued to travel between San Giuseppe Picinisco and Germany for work.

At the time of departure 1913 her brother was living in Edinburgh Scotland and her sister was in Chicago USA. so why would she go to Mexico?

Where and who was her husband and father of her two children? He is not listed on the ship manifest? Also her marital status is not confirmed is she single, divorced or widowed.

Does she know that she will meet her second husband Ernesto Mezza in Mexico? As he is of Italian parents possibly from the Val di Comino area in Italy.

Keep up the good work excellent!!!

Stuart

[pink67]

Hi Stuart...
I'm glad I was able to help you...
Don't know which should be your next step now...
Usually, here in Italy, on the birth acts recorded in the Comuni there are annotations for the important facts of a person's life...
You can find on a birth act also the annotation for the possible marriage and death of the person.
I read another time all your message and I noticed that Philomena was born in Munich. Do you have her birth act? I don't know if in Germany the civil registrations are similar to ours but... maybe you should try to ask for her birth act in Munich, hoping to find some new clues on it.
This is an obvious question but, do you have also Angelina and Leandro death certificates? Maybe they should have other clues too...
Laura

[stuartcapaldi]

Laura

I have now been in touch with Filomena's grand daughter in USA requesting if she knows any pieces of family history.

Filomena's daughter Carmela is living in USA but she does not have a good memory, therefore her facts may be limited.

The information that I now have is that Filomena travelled with a Maria Morales from Hamburg to Mexico. Does that name appear on the passenger list?

I do not know where Filomena was born Munich or Picinisco or Villa Latina?

However a further story from her daughter Carmela was that Filomena also lived in Austria. She remembers a story of the nephew of Czar Nicholas and her mother. He supposedly painted her when she was in Germany or Austria, not sure which, it is a picture of a girl in a green dress with her arm around a big white dog. I also knew that her hands and feet were used in a painting of a girl at a fountain. Not sure who that artist was. She also told me that the nephew of the Czar wanted to take her to Russia but her mother would not let her go.

But we still do not know the father of her first two children Angelina and Leondra. Angelina's death certificate claims she was born in Florence, Italy. Taking into account Filomena's travels over the world she may also have lived in Florence? I t would have to be circa 1910 as Angeline was 3 in 1913

Any help from contributors would be much appreciated

Stuart