I am looking for family members living in Monreale, Sicily,

[Lagunasuz]

I had nothing up until a few days ago.... the name change was around 1920 so no WWI draft registration that I could find, I know part of the family stayed in New Orleans, some went to Chicago, and Los Angeles. I plan on visiting Sicily for the first time in October, hopefully there are some family members there.
Suzanne

[nuccia]

The 1903 ship manifest that you refer to, must be a 2nd trip.

Census records showing 1894, with Maria, Lucy, & Camilla born in LA.

1910 census

http://italiangenealogy.tardio.com/Foru ... =2581.html

1920 census
http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/7536/piro1920yk8.jpg

NOTE: Vincent is a widower, living with daughter, Frances Piro. Frances Piro married a Piro?

jcsm

Nonna J ..the 1910 census link didn't work...I need to look over all this info tomorrow since I notice the poster has some questions about this other family...I'm curious now too.

But for now..must sleep now. Too much celebrating. I guess!

nuccia

[Lagunasuz]

1910 Census - Vicent Piro age in 1910 48 wife - Angela - home New Orleans
Vicent Piro 48 , Angela Piro 47, Francisco Piro ??? 18, Benaisto Piro 15, Maria Piro 13, Lucy 10, Camella 7 but year of immigration 1894


other family - 1930 census
home Los Angeles
John Piro - 41
Frances - 39
Nicholas 10
Vincent - 8
Angela - 4
Vincenzo Piro 69????

[jcsm400]

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Nonna J ..the 1910 census link didn't work...I need to look over all this info tomorrow since I notice the poster has some questions about this other family...I'm curious now too.
Nuccia

Thanks Nuccia....should be fixed now.

nonna j

[nuccia]

I'm going to link the manifest that Suzanne is referring to. It does appear to be a first trip..I think we need to see it and I'm sorry if already been posted.

New Orleans Passenger Lists, 1820-1945 Record
about Vincenzo Piro
Name: Vincenzo Piro
Arrival Date: 14 Oct 1903
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Italian (South)
Port of Departure: Palermo, Italy
Ship Name: Massilin
Port of Arrival: New Orleans, Louisiana
Friend's Name: Pietro Marino Decatur
Last Residence: Italy
National Archives' Series Number: T905_2

Vincenzo 1903 Manifest

They were going to see a cousin Filippo at 1200 Mottrose St (?) in New Orleans..

[nuccia]

This could be Benedetto..age slightly off but mentions 3 sisters and parents..and matches info from 1910 census ages.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Record
about Bennett Anthony Piro
Name: Bennett Anthony Piro
City: Not Stated
County: Tangipahoa
State: Louisiana
BirthPlace: Italy
Birth Date: 1 May 1894
Race: Caucasian
Roll: 1685022

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6940/imagexwj3.jpg

This could be Francesco...The actual image isn't clear but it could mean born in 1890..not 1880..he would be about 27 and most probably married and that why Benny is in charge of the family. Also, lists himself as a grocer which is his Dad's profession in the 1910 Census below.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Record
about Franco Piro
Name: Franco Piro
City: New Orleans
County: Orleans
State: Louisiana
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1880
Race: White
Roll: 1684819
DraftBoard: 2

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7238/imagexul9.jpg

1910 Census seems to match up..

1910 United States Federal Census Record
about Vicent Piro
Name: Vicent Piro
[Vincent Piro]
Age in 1910: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
BirthPlace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouses's Name: Angela
Home in 1910: New Orleans Ward 8, Orleans, Louisiana
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1894
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Vicent Piro 48
Angela Piro 47
Francisco Piro 18
Benaisto Piro 15
Maria Piro 13
Lucy Piro 10
Camella Piro 7

Year of Immigration...not unusual to be off depending on who gave the info. Remember, the parents couldn't read or write so chances are their English wa off a bit too. Or the census taker may have written Benny's YOB in error..anything. The 1910 census records were always off...in my opinion.

Angela died in 1911....so that would explain why she disappears after the 1910 census. Would also confirm Benny being in charge of the farm and father with 3 sisters over 12...I'm sure thats him.

New Orleans, Louisiana Death Records Index, 1804-1949 Record
about Angelina Tuminello Piro
Name: Angelina Tuminello Piro
Age: 48 yrs
Death Date: 21 Apr 1911
Color: W
Page: 1219

Still looking through everything.

nuccia
Volume: 151

[nuccia]

Looks like Maria married Antonio Musso on July 3, 1917 and moved to Chicago where they had a son..August (as per the 1920 census).

Lucia married Bertrand Joseph Breaux on Aug 18, 1919..not sure where they are yet.

Benedetto may have changed his name to Bennett and followed to Chicago with his wife...Edna and son Vincent.

And Francesco became John, wife Francis and Carmella (Camille) with her father Vincent moved in with them. They were still in LA in 1920 but moved to California by 1930.

1920 United States Federal Census Record
about Camille Piro
Name: Camille Piro
Home in 1920: New Orleans Ward 3, Orleans, Louisiana
Age: 17 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
BirthPlace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Sister-in-law
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Female
Year of immigration: un
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 261
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Piro 32
Francis Piro 28
Camille Piro 17
Nicholas Piro 3/12
Vincent Piro 54

Oops...I think they may have reversed the husband and wife...Francis could be Francesco and John could Gioconda (I can't remember Franceso's nearest relatives name on the WW1 cards.Gioacchina Lo Pressti..(?) Unless...could John be another son that arrived later? This is the census that is the most confusing...need to study it....

1930 United States Federal Census Record
about John Piro
Name: John Piro
Home in 1930: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
BirthPlace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Name: Vincenzo
Spouses's Name: Frances
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent Home Value:

Age at First Marriage:

Parents' Birthplace:

View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Piro 41
Frances Piro 39
Nicholas Piro 10
Vincent Piro 8
Angela Piro 4 10/12
Vincenzo Piro 69

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6758/imagexpn3.jpg

1930 United States Federal Census Record
about Lucille Breaux
Name: Lucille Breaux
Home in 1930: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouses's Name: Bertrand J
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent Home Value:

Age at First Marriage:

Parents' Birthplace:

View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Bertrand J Breaux 36
Lucille Breaux 29
Bertrand J Breaux 9
Lucille Breaux 5

Looks like the same family to me..John is still a grocer..and Lucia and family live next door...I think the family just lied a lot about their ages and personal info.

nuccia

[jcsm400]

I'm going to link the manifest that Suzanne is referring to. It does appear to be a first trip..I think we need to see it and I'm sorry if already been posted.

New Orleans Passenger Lists, 1820-1945 Record
about Vincenzo Piro
Name: Vincenzo Piro
Arrival Date: 14 Oct 1903
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Italian (South)
Port of Departure: Palermo, Italy
Ship Name: Massilin
Port of Arrival: New Orleans, Louisiana
Friend's Name: Pietro Marino Decatur
Last Residence: Italy
National Archives' Series Number: T905_2

Vincenzo 1903 Manifest

They were going to see a cousin Filippo at 1200 Mottrose St (?) in New Orleans..

Hi Nuccia,

Thanks for checking on this.

This 1903 manifest is really confusing me......appears that the same family is on manifests for 1894? & 1897 (sure of) & 3 children b. in LA (census info & LA Birth Index) = 1903 trip can't be 1st trip.

Are we missing a family on census records?........1st - Vincenzo Piro married to Angelina Tuminello (sp) & family and 2nd - Vincenzo Piro married to Angela Tuminello (sp)? & family? Children names & birth years same????

nonna j

[mfjp]

I'm going to link the manifest that Suzanne is referring to. It does appear to be a first trip..I think we need to see it and I'm sorry if already been posted.

New Orleans Passenger Lists, 1820-1945 Record
about Vincenzo Piro
Name: Vincenzo Piro
Arrival Date: 14 Oct 1903
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Italian (South)
Port of Departure: Palermo, Italy
Ship Name: Massilin
Port of Arrival: New Orleans, Louisiana
Friend's Name: Pietro Marino Decatur
Last Residence: Italy
National Archives' Series Number: T905_2

Vincenzo 1903 Manifest

They were going to see a cousin Filippo at 1200 Mottrose St (?) in New Orleans..

I agree... according to this manifest... it mentions that this is their first trip (but you never know....)

I agree ... they were off to join cousin Filippo Sassano?? More opinions??

Please note the other passenger on line 5.... another Piro? More opinions needed... Gaetano would be joining brother Pasquale

Maria

[jcsm400]

So........ it appears that all the records posted are for the Vincenzo Piro family that came 1897 (see below & page 1) and not the Vincenzo Piro family that made their 1st trip in 1903

New Orleans Passenger Lists, 1820-1945 Record

Name: Vincenzo Piro
Arrival Date: 30 Oct 1897
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Leghorn and Palermo, Italy
Ship Name: Montebello
Port of Arrival: New Orleans, Louisiana
Last Residence: Moure??ll
National Archives' Series Number: M259_85

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/4042 ... estbr1.jpg

NOTE: Names & birth years are same for 1897 manifest & 1903 manifest.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

CONCLUSION: Where is the Vincenzo Piro family that came in 1903? Or....What am I missing here???

jcsm

[jcsm400]

Nuccia quote:
And Francesco became John, wife Francis and Carmella (Camille) with her father Vincent moved in with them. They were still in LA in 1920 but moved to California by 1930.


Shouldn't this be a female, Frances or Francesca?

[mfjp]

They look like the same family to me...

So they fibbed a bit... (on the 1903 manifest... )

Looks like they travelled in 1897... and must have gone back to Italy and returned in 1903 (I put the manifest link in my last post...)

I need to read everything everyone posted... what a wealth of info from everyone... what a great team here...

But where's the 1894 manifest.. ??? Has anyone actually seen it ... or is this info based on census info...

Maria

Please note that American citizens are listed on separate manifests..

[jcsm400]

Hi Maria,

"They look like the same family to me..."

Thanks! Thought I had lost my mind somewhere!!!!

Haven't found any 1894 manifest, so just been adding this immig. year 'cause of thecensus info.

jcsm

[Lagunasuz]

No they are not the same family, my grandfather had three sisters!, he was the only son, his father Vincenzo stayed in New Orleans, he went to Chicago and then to Los Angeles under a different name in 1921. Thank you all for all your hard work, it has confused the heck out of me and all the men in my family who might know anything are all dead.
Suzanne

[Lagunasuz]

Plus, my father's name was Vincenzo Piro born July 1919 in New Orleans, name change 1921???
Suzanne