Help with some phrases in a birth record, please
Help with some phrases in a birth record, please
I have a birth record scanned here. It's rather large, because I found it hard to read at lower resolution. There are two phrases that I marked in red; can anyone help me with a translation?
One is the phrase after the child's first name. In most cases, I've seen just the name with no phrase on the birth records. The one other time I saw a phrase after the name, it was stating the child was stillborn. But this one went on to get married, so I know it's not saying that. He is a twin, so I'm not sure if what they're saying after his name is alluding to that. His sister has a similar phrase on her birth record after her name.
The second phrase is right above the witness signature. In other records, the statement was something like "these people are signing because the parents are illiterate" and I see that at the very end. But what are the few sentences before that saying?
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Thanks so much!
Donna
One is the phrase after the child's first name. In most cases, I've seen just the name with no phrase on the birth records. The one other time I saw a phrase after the name, it was stating the child was stillborn. But this one went on to get married, so I know it's not saying that. He is a twin, so I'm not sure if what they're saying after his name is alluding to that. His sister has a similar phrase on her birth record after her name.
The second phrase is right above the witness signature. In other records, the statement was something like "these people are signing because the parents are illiterate" and I see that at the very end. But what are the few sentences before that saying?
Here's the link
Thanks so much!
Donna
Re: Help with some phrases in a birth record, please
1) it is born a child of male gender that she present me and that is the twin of previous birthact
2) the same informant say me that this child is the second born, and that she denounce the birth having helped by her profession( midwife) the birthchild and "in loco" of the Cefaratti husband, decesead abt 6 months ago..
read the present act... etc....
regards, suanj
2) the same informant say me that this child is the second born, and that she denounce the birth having helped by her profession( midwife) the birthchild and "in loco" of the Cefaratti husband, decesead abt 6 months ago..
read the present act... etc....
regards, suanj
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Re: Help with some phrases in a birth record, please
Thank you, Suanj! Could you tell me what the second part means? What does it mean to "denounce" a birth? What about "in loco" - I thought that meant "instead of." Does that mean there wouldn't have been a midwife present if the husband was still alive?
Thanks for the info about the husband. At least now I know where to look for his death notice. Poor mom, with twin babies and no dad for the babies ...
Donna
Thanks for the info about the husband. At least now I know where to look for his death notice. Poor mom, with twin babies and no dad for the babies ...
Donna
Re: Help with some phrases in a birth record, please
Wait a minute, I just went back to look at this again ... the husband wasn't a Cefaratti, he was a Carlone. The mother was a Cefaratti, so the Cefaratti that died six months earlier ... who was he? The mother's father? Or were the twins sired by someone other than the mother's husband?
Thanks!
Donna
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Re: Help with some phrases in a birth record, please
Hi Donna - The midwife states that she is attesting to this birth in the place of the husband of Cefaratti who had died six months earlier. It wasn't a Cefaratti who died six months earlier, but the husband of Cefaratti. Most often the husband or other family member attested to the birth, but sometimes the midwife or occasionally a doctor did the honors.
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Re: Help with some phrases in a birth record, please
I think Suanj meant announce not denounce. The midwife would have attended the birth whether or not the husband was alive. "In loco" means "in place of." She recorded the birth instead of the dead husband.
It does say in 3 lines above the first red mark that she is the widow (vedova) of Carlo Carlone.
It does say in 3 lines above the first red mark that she is the widow (vedova) of Carlo Carlone.
Re: Help with some phrases in a birth record, please
Thanks so much, all of you! I really appreciate your help.
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Re: Help with some phrases in a birth record, please
The word in the document is written "denunciata" which means denounced.
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Re: Help with some phrases in a birth record, please
An archaic meaning of denounce is to proclaim or declare, which meaning seems appropriate in this case.
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Re: Help with some phrases in a birth record, please
Thanks John, my bad. I should have followed through with the actual meaning (how it pertained to the document content) after clarifying denunciata as denounced.
Your help is always appreciated.
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Re: Help with some phrases in a birth record, please
Donna - I've been doing some research as this topic progressed and, ironically, I just found a Cefaratti whose daughter moved to Campobasso from Campodipietra. Aurora Germano, born in Campodipietra to Michelangelo Germano and Anna Maria Cefaratti, wife of Giuseppe di Marco, died 01 JUN 1903 in Campobasso at the age of 92.
John Armellino
Re: Help with some phrases in a birth record, please
the denounced word as announced in the italian birthacts meaning always declare...I made a litteral translation... I thought that it was obvious... regards, suanj
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Re: Help with some phrases in a birth record, please
Thanks, John! I don't have a connection to your Cefaratti yet in my family tree, but I figure it's just a matter of time before you and I discover a link! I now have 185 people and 69 families linked into my tree.
Donna
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Re: Help with some phrases in a birth record, please
Thanks, John! I don't have a connection to your Cefaratti yet in my family tree, but I figure it's just a matter of time before you and I discover a link! I now have 185 people and 69 families linked into my tree.
Donna
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