Frasenelli/ Frazenelli/ Frasenelle

[Frasenelli]

Newbie here!

My ancestor was Giovanni Frasenelli, or possibly spelt as above, we just don't know! He was born around 1839 in Parma we believe.
We don't know when he came over to England ,but he married Lydia Barrell in 1865 in Epping, Essex.
Would anyone have any information or be able to tell me where I may be able to find out any information such as his birth certificate?


Cheers all, Gill.

[suanj]

the surname spelling could be FRASSINELLI right.. however your ancestor coming from Pontremoli town in Massa Carrara province, Toscana region, Italy;


1891 England Census
about Giovanni Frassenelle
Name: Giovanni Frassenelle
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lydia
Gender: Male
Where born: Poutremoli, Italy

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green North
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Giovanni Frassenelle 53
Lydia Frassenelle 47
Alice Frassenelle 16
Lucia Frassenelle 5
well the civil records in this town starting from 1866; and you can order the microfilms by Mormons;
but it are available also the 1841 census, and your ancestor with parents and siblings must be in this microfilms:

Title Censimento, 1841
Authors Toscana (Italia : Regione). Ufficio dello stato civile (Main Author)

.... Pieve Santo Stefano, Piombino, Pisa, Pistoia, Piteglio, Pitigliano, Poggibonsi, Pomarance, Ponsacco, Pontassieve, Pontedera, Pontremoli, Poppi, Porta al Borgo,
maybe you wish to know the family in 1871 census:
1871 England Census
about John Frussenlla
Name: John Frussenlla
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lydia
Gender: Male
Where born: Italy
Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
John Frussenlla 30
Lydia Frussenlla 26
George Frussenlla 6
Marin Frussenlla 4

1901 census:

1901 England Census
about Giovanni Frassenell
Name: Giovanni Frassenell
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: F S, Italy

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: Dalston St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 242
Household Members: Name Age
Giovanni Frassenell 63
Lucia Frassenell 15




hoping helpful,
regards,
suanj

[Frasenelli]

WOW!
Thanks so much, cannot tell you how much I appreciate you taking the time to look for me.

Many, many thanks.

Gill

[suanj]

happy of to help,
best regards,
suanj

[Frasenelli]

How would I go about getting a copy of his birth certificate?

we are thinking of going to Tuscany area on holiday next year, and intend to visit the area where he was born, so it would be lovely to find out a location.

Thanks once again.

Gill

[suanj]

you can obtain, maybe, the baptism certificate, knowing the church in Pontremoli where your ancestor was baptized, and finding a kind priest....; the civil records in Pontremoli starting from 1866 as I said above.... but before of anything is better to see the 1841 Pontremoli census by Mormon's microfilm, almost you can know the parent's names, and after to try for the baptist record in Pontremoli...
best regards,
suanj

[Frasenelli]

Thankyou so much suanj, we have a mormon records office near to us so I will contact them tomorrow.

Thank you once again....

[pingle99]

I know this dates from a while ago but I'm searching for the same ancestor.
I would love to know when he arrived in the UK. I have searched the "alien arrivals" 1826-1869 but no luck. We know he married in London in 1865 so it's a mystery how or when he arrived.