looking for parents of C. Sturino

[tula]

Hi

I’ve be reading the posts here and I hope that someone can please help me. How would I go about confirming a theory that I have?



I am searching my late husband’s family for his grandfather's parents. His grandfather was from Cosenza, Italy and settled in Kenosha, WI. area, so I have access to obituaries and censuses. On my husband’s grandfather’s ( Costantino Sturino B: 16/09/1890 D; 20/01/1972), obituary, it states his father was named Salvatoro and no mother’s name. I must have been told by someone in the family, a long time ago and I don’t remember from where, that his mother was named Domenica.



Using the site:

http://88.59.143.158/ascs_web/consulta_ ... 3279F3761E

I located a couple named Salvatoro and Domenica (nee; Crispino) and it connects them to sons, Santo, Antonio (Anthony). Costantino had brothers Santo and Anthony mentioned on the obituary among other sibs, Louis (who died in Italy) , Frank, and Carmella Conforti. So, I suspect this couple could be his parents but I have no other proof. These names are very common in every family in Rende and I have different spellings of Costantino. The dates are possible, if this is correct there would be a 14 years difference between "older brother" Santo and Costantino. But Costantino is not mention in connection with the Sturino/Crispino branch anywhere like Family Search or Root Web, so I where could I go to find more proof. I can find no immigration information. Also, his obituary say he was discharged from the US military Dec, 1918, yet, I can find no evidence anywhere else of a service record. Can anyone steer me to other Italian sites that can help me in my search.



Also, what does it mean “enlistedâ€

[suanj]

hi,
I found a second arrival abt Costantino STURINO, born in Rende, wife Concetta in Rende(??), already in USA from 1906-1910 and joining at Francesco STURINO brother in Kenosha, WI:

Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
about Costantino Sturino
Name: Costantino Sturino
Arrival Date: 24 Nov 1913
Age: 21 Years
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ship Name: Canopic
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Francesco Hurris ( Sturino)
Last Residence: Italy
Birthplace: Rende, Italy
Microfilm Roll Number:

pag 1 http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/8013/sturino1.jpg
pag 2 http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9474/sturino2.jpg

previous trip with Carmela sister, both singles:


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Costantino Sturina
Name: Costantino Sturina
Arrival Date: 17 May 1910
Birth Year: abt 1890
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: rmelz
Age: 20
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Napoli
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Principe di Piemonte
Search Ship Database: Search the Principe di Piemonte in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database



father Salvatore in Rende; joining at Antonio Sturino brother
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pag 2 http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/5579/costantino2.jpg
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more:

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Constantino Storino
Name: Constantino Storino
City: Kenosha
County: Kenosha
State: Wisconsin
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Date: 15 Aug 1890
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1674740
DraftBoard: 0
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/6885/sturino3.jpg
born in Rende ( Cosenza province) support wife and daughter...

Selected U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1966 (Indexed in World Archives Project)
about Constantino Sturino
Name: Constantino Sturino
Birth Date: 15 Aug 1890
Birth Place: Italy
Age at event: 30
Place of Residence: Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa
Year of Arrival: 1909
Date of Action: 27 Sep 1920
Collection Title: Soundex Index to Naturalization Petitions for the United States District and Circuit Courts, Northern District of Illinois and Immigration and Naturalization Service District 9, 1840-1950 (M1285)
NARA Series #: M1285
Roll #: 157
Roll Description: S-362 W. A. through S-415 Douglas Frank

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/3825/sturino4.jpg

it will be he:
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1920 United States Federal Census
about Catontino Sterino
Name: Catontino Sterino
[Catontino Steins]
Home in 1920: Kenosha Ward 6, Kenosha, Wisconsin
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1881 ( 1891 abt)
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Brother
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Single ( inverted with the brother Tonino/Antonio that was single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of Immigration: 1906
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Sterino 33
Francison Sterino 33 ( Francesca Sturino maiden name De Marco born in Rende also)
Filomeno Sterino 13
Santo Sterino 6
Lertzor Sterino 9
Ernesto Sterino 2
[2 0/12]
Catontino Sterino 39( inverted with Tonino/Antonio age)
Fonino* Sterino 28 (* Tonino=Antonio; inverted age with Costantino; Antonio was born the 13 jun 1881)

Antonio Sturino:


Codice SIAS IT-ASCS-F680258
Ufficio Leva della Provincia di Cosenza, Liste di Leva della classe 1881.Registro numero 176,
atto numero 174 di pagina 360 sezione c
Antonio Sturino, contadino iscritto il --/--/----
nato il 13/06/1881 a RENDE
da Salvatore Sturino e da Domenico Grispino


World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Antonio Storino
Name: Antonio Storino
City: Kenosha
County: Kenosha
State: Wisconsin
Birth Date: 13 Jun 1881 Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1674740
DraftBoard: 0

father Salvatore in Rende, Cosenza, IT

by the records it are no doubts that the mother was Domenica Crispino
(I believe right this spelling )...

suanj

[suanj]

"bracciale" = handman, farm laborer

[suanj]

It is possible that carolina Dattilo was the second wife of Costantino?? just a my thought...

I found a Carolina Dattilo immigrated in Kenosha, WI with the Carmina sister, in 1921 and joining at Antonio Padovano/Padovani husband 701 Grand Ave, Kenosha, WI:
New York Passenger Lists, 1 820-1957 about Carolina Dattilo

Name: Carolina Dattilo
Arrival Date: 10 Nov 1921
Birth Year: abt 1896
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: marano
Age: 25
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race¬/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Napoli
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Dante Alighieri
Search Ship Database: Search the Dante Alighieri in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database


it could be possible that Carolina and Costantino married after widowhood??
suanj

[tula]

Thank you so much, Suanj, that is more information than I expected! The definite birth date of brother, Antonio, and Constantino living with him would be the connection between the Sturinos and the Crispinos that I'm looking for. You helped me name the first generation in my children's family tree that died in Europe.

I honestly didn't think the actual ships manifest were available because I sure couldn't find any. Thank you so much for those. While no one ever mentioned to me of a first wife, it is possible, but more troubling to me is the daughter. There is an Aunt alive that I could ask but she is in her late eighties. And while I'm estranged from my husband's sisters, I talk to his cousins now and then. I'll have to ask them if they knew about a first wife and a daughter.

The birth date is wrong on the obituary but that doesn't surprise me. He never drove a car and never had a drivers license with a date on it so I think the children were guessing in the obituary. I've seen that before. I don't think my husband's parents paid too much attention to names of deceased and dates. When ever I asked them about older generations, they had no knowledge or said they couldn't remember and so I'm finding obituaries are notoriously wrong in information.

I'm impressed you found the Dattalo side which I didn't mention in the op. You are good. But it leads to more confusion because the obituary has the wedding date at March 4, 1921, yet Caroline didn't arrive in the U.S. until November of 1921. I do know the courtship between Caroline and Constantino consisted of sitting together in her sister's parlor. Funny how little bits of information can fall into place.

There is a great deal to think about here. This has all been very helpful.

[suanj]

Hi Tula,
I am pretty sure abt the data, so Costantino was married and had a daughter, remained in Italy with mother.... I know no if the wife died or if Costantino abandoned it....
abt the infos on the obituary, I believe no all right completely... you know Carolina arrived in nov 1921; no doubts that is the right person... so they married after this date....
all the best,
suanj