Looking for relatives in Cicagna (Genova) Emilie Crovo

[timbar]

My great grandfather came from Italy to Norway in 1876, he was born 14.10.1856 His name was Emilio Crovo and he was probably from Cicagna in Genova. He married my great grandmother which was from Norway (Os) Bergen. They had 12 children together, but only 8 grew up, One died when he was 16 years old.

I know that my grandfather tried to find out if he had relatives in Italy after his father died in 1910, but with bad results.

In the marrige paper her from Bergen he tells that his father was Agostin Crovo and mother Maria Madalena Crovo.

It is many of us in Norway which hopes to find out something about Emilios relatives, if he had sisters and brotheres etc. What happend with his parents etc?

I would be very thankful if anybody could help us with informations

[MarcuccioV]

Timbar, you may want to re-post this under "Italian Genealogy" (the top forum listing). It will get more views there...

[darkerhorse]

My father's family was from Sicily but my maternal grandfather's family came from Larvik, Norway.

There are several family trees for Crovo from Cicagna on Ancestry.com.

I didn't find your Emilio but there was a Agostino Crovo born in 1823 married to Maria Porcella. It doesn't list Emilio as a son, but the children were born starting in the 1850s. If Emilio emigrated to Norway perhaps he is not well known in the extended family.

I'm sure others here will help you.

[joetucciarone]

Hi - here's the October 29, 1858 birth (in Cicagna) of a Maria Emilia Crovo:

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

It's hard to read, but her father's name seems to be "Agastino di Giovanni" and her mother's name looks like "Rosa Porcella di Giovanni."

[darkerhorse]

Looks like godmother was Maria Porcella, mother's sister. I wonder what the family relationship is to the ones I mentioned above.

[PippoM]

I'd ask timbar how does he know the family was from Cicagna.
Is it a guess, a family story, or is there some document stating it?

[timbar]

Hi Sorry that I have not answered before, I did nok know that it had came more answers on my post.
The reasen that I hopefully know that he came from Cicagna, is that he told that till the immigrations authority.
He came first too Trondheim, it was there he met my greatgrand mother which name was Kristine (Christine) Pedersdotter Danielsen. They later moved too Bergen, where hi died in 1910.
His story is well known of several members of the family, and many of us have been to Cicagna. But maby it was not right. But why should he lie about this. (Emilio and Kristine got about 12 children) but only 8 grow up. But it is a lot of familys after him here. One of his sons wrote too the consulat of Genova in 1928 to ask of he had family in Genova, but they did not find anything. But this is a long time ago. But this is a mysteri for us relatives, and we are realy looking for answers. At least we are shore that he was italien.

[m_crovo]

My father's family was from Sicily but my maternal grandfather's family came from Larvik, Norway.

There are several family trees for Crovo from Cicagna on Ancestry.com.

I didn't find your Emilio but there was a Agostino Crovo born in 1823 married to Maria Porcella. It doesn't list Emilio as a son, but the children were born starting in the 1850s. If Emilio emigrated to Norway perhaps he is not well known in the extended family.

I'm sure others here will help you.

It has been mentioned that Agostino and Maria could have adopted Emilio and one story that has been mentioned is that Emilio is actually is called Pomodore Flaminio and that his real mother had a relationship with a married man, who was very rich. It would mean a lot if you can help to serach for Pomodoro Flaminio. Best regards Marianne Rosa Crovo

[darkerhorse]

I'd like to but my resources are limited - I no longer have access to Ancestry.com.

Pomodoro means "tomato" so maybe that was some kind of nickname?

[suanj]

Hi, in both parishes of Cicagna, 1856 year, only one child was born the son of an unknown father, and he had the name of Erasmo CASTAGNO born on 26 jan 1856 in Cicagna, so son of unknown father and son of Miss Rosa FOPPIANO. https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 03/Lz4PqK1

I believe that your Emilio told the truth about the place of origin, but I believe that the spouses Agostino and Maria Maddalena are the ones who raised the child, because it was a custom to take the foundlings and raise them and benefit from the monthly allowance that gave the common in this regard. Normally when 14 old the boy left the family who raised him, but sometimes this family loved much him and the family kept him at home until adult age.
Sometimes they adopted the foundling when adult, but rarely, for in that case he would have become a probable heir along with other legitimate children. But more often it happened that they legitimized these children when they had to leave for military service or abroad. I mean the true biological father.

Not being shown documents such as the passport or the report of Emilio Crovo's deposition before the authorities, we have to rely on what has been handed down.
So we need to know what his name was on his passport, and date of birth, not what he said, but what the Italian authorities wrote; but that I think is impossible to find. Or know what his name was on the ship's manifest, which would still give us the same and helpful information. Because foundlings abroad often changed their names or indicated as biological parents only the couple who had raised them. Unfortunately they lived in a situation of unease of origin and were ashamed of sins not committed by them.
Currently on the basis of what you tell I can only say that no Emilio Crovo was born in both parishes of Cicagna and I also looked for 1856 years ahead and years back. As a well no one Flaminio POMODORO, Pomodoro is a surname and Flaminio a first name. So either he lied about his place of birth, or about the date of birth, or about everything.
Because if it doesn't appear to Cicagna, there is a mystery and the mystery have origin always a error in the provided data.
Regards,
suanj