Any Calascibetta experts or residents here in Sicily? Help!

[jeffyjoe44]

I am checking with my mom who did the checkout from the library. She got several films sent to her. We did find some birth and baptismal records. Im not sure which ones were in Italian and which ones were in Latin.

There were other names on there though that were confusing.

[pink67]

Jeff,

I'm posting these records for references and just in the case you don't have them:

from Ancestry.com:

1920 United States Federal Census
about Pedro C Mongarro
Name: Pedro C Mongarro
[Pedro C Monganro]
Home in 1920: Chicago Ward 29, Cook (Chicago), Illinois
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse's name: Josephine
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Year of Immigration: 1898
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Pedro C Mongarro 37
Josephine Mongarro 23
Jenny Mongarro 5
Angelina Mongarro 4
Rita Mongarro 2
Pedro Mongarro 0
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Image:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pqkb8h9

from http://search.labs.familysearch.org/rec ... html#start

Illinois, Cook County Birth certificates, 1878 - 1922

Name: Peter C Manganara
Birth date: 5 june 1919
Birth place: Chicago
Father's name: Peter C Manganara
Father's age: 36
Mother's name: Josephine Purzino
Mother's age: 23
Address: 6114 S Kilbourne (same of the 1920 census)

Image:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsIxv89

Peter's wife correct maiden name was Giuseppa Pinzino:

Illinois, Cook County Birth certificates, 1878 - 1922

Name: Jennie Mary Manganero
Birth date: 22 June 1914
Birth Place: Chicago
Father's name: Peter Manganero
Father's age: 31
Mother's name: Josephine Pinzino
Mother's age: 18

Possible 1910 arrival manifest for Giuseppa (Josephine) Pinzino:

page 1:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0002

page 2:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0002

Pecora Maria Giuseppa, age 31, married, from Calascibetta travelling with her child Giuseppa, female, single, age 14, Liborio, male, single, age 11, Angela, female, age 6, Daniela, female, age 3... Joining her husband Salvatore Pinzino in San Josè - Missouri
I'm pretty sure it was Josephine because the naturalization marks on her line on the manfiest state that she did the naturalization process in the INS disctrict n. 11 (Chicago IL)

from Ancestry.com:

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Peter Chiaese Manganaro
Name: Peter Chiaese Manganaro
City: Chicago
County: Cook
State: Illinois
Birth Date: 29 Sep 1882
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1613928
DraftBoard: 68

image:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsIxZ3S

Laura

[pink67]

Laura,

She may have been a cousin. We saw that record. But there are five kids and the eldest never came to America. Birth order was Giovanni (unk year), Pietro/Peter (1882), Giuseppe/Joe (1885), Eufenia/Fanny (1888), and Francesco Paolo/Paul (1897).

Eufemia's husband 1913 arrival:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Primo Graziolo
Name: Primo Graziolo
Arrival Date: 27 Jun 1913
Birth Year: abt 1892
Birth Location: Sicily
Birth Location Other: calascibetta
Age: 21
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Palermo, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Re D Italia
Search Ship Database: Search the Re D Italia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Leaving in Italy his wife Chiaese Eufemia in Calascibetta joining his brother in law Chiaese Manganaro in Chicago.

page 1:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsICrW0

page 2:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pqki3N9


Illinois Cook County Birth Certificates, 1878-1922

Name: Giovannina Grazioli
Birth Date: 7 february 1918
Birth place: Chicago
Father's name: Prima Grazioli
Father's age: 27
Mother's name: Jeni Manganero
Mother's age: 29
Address: 1224 Taylor Street
Image:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV4EzAS

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Graziolo Primo
Name: Graziolo Primo
City: Chicago
County: Cook
State: Illinois
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Date: 1 Jan 1892 Castrogiovanni (since 1927 Enna, Sicily)
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1503823
DraftBoard: 43

Addess: 1224 Taylor Street

image:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxRJN70

Laura

Edit to add Eufemia's birth date:

Selected U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1966 (Indexed in World Archives Project)
about Eufemia Chiaese Manganaro Grazioli
Name: Eufemia Chiaese Manganaro Grazioli
Alias: Fanny
Birth Date: 14 Jan 1888
Birth Place: Italy
Age at event: 55
Place of Residence: Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa
Year of Arrival: 1916
Date of Action: 22 Jul 1943
Collection Title: Soundex Index to Naturalization Petitions for the United States District and Circuit Courts, Northern District of Illinois and Immigration and Naturalization Service District 9, 1840-1950 (M1285)
NARA Series #: M1285
Roll #: 70
Roll Description: G-622 W. through G-632

http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV4M30S

Selected U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1966 (Indexed in World Archives Project)
about Primo Grazioli
Name: Primo Grazioli
Birth Date: 1 Jan 1892
Birth Place: Italy
Age at event: 34
Place of Residence: Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa
Year of Arrival: 1913
Date of Action: 21 Sep 1926
Collection Title: Soundex Index to Naturalization Petitions for the United States District and Circuit Courts, Northern District of Illinois and Immigration and Naturalization Service District 9, 1840-1950 (M1285)
NARA Series #: M1285
Roll #: 70
Roll Description: G-622 W. through G-632

http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqkmWAJ

[pink67]

19 September 1916, arrival manifest for Eufemia Chiaese Manganaro, age 27, travelling with her daughter Salvatrice Grazioli age 4, leaving in Calascibetta her mother in Law Paolo Elisa/Chisa?, joining her husband Graziolo Primo in Chicago

page 1:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0022

Page 2:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0022

Laura

[Tessa78]

Great finds Laura!

T.

[jeffyjoe44]

Laura,

I have all of these documents. If they aren't in my tree, they are in the shoebox. I am pretty covered on everyone who made it here. I don't have any gaps. We have the census reports, naturalization cards, war reg cards, for all of the siblings who came to America. We are stuck with the parents. The death certificates all list a diff version for the father's name which is Leonard, O'larry, Hilario. One of the Joe's manifests (he came three times) indicates that his contact in Italy is his father Ilario. So we think that is it.
As for the mother through the microfilms and two of the birth certificates, indicate Jennie or Joana Sodoro or Sodora. We believe the actual name to be Sodora.
So we are just looking to confirm through Italian records that indeed those names are correct, and try to extract their birth and marriage from that point on. Of course then I'll want to look for the parents of these people, and I guess I'll probably just halt it there, because I will be in the same predicament of being records challenged.

[jeffyjoe44]

Tessa,

We realized that Peter and Josephine werre married in Missouri. She was American born. Their marriage application and license do not have the parents info for peter.

http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view. ... 3e78881a00

[pink67]

Laura,

I have all of these documents. If they aren't in my tree, they are in the shoebox. I am pretty covered on everyone who made it here. I don't have any gaps. We have the census reports, naturalization cards, war reg cards, for all of the siblings who came to America. We are stuck with the parents. The death certificates all list a diff version for the father's name which is Leonard, O'larry, Hilario. One of the Joe's manifests (he came three times) indicates that his contact in Italy is his father Ilario. So we think that is it.
As for the mother through the microfilms and two of the birth certificates, indicate Jennie or Joana Sodoro or Sodora. We believe the actual name to be Sodora.
So we are just looking to confirm through Italian records that indeed those names are correct, and try to extract their birth and marriage from that point on. Of course then I'll want to look for the parents of these people, and I guess I'll probably just halt it there, because I will be in the same predicament of being records challenged.

Jeff,

then the easier way to obtain informations on the parents is to check the mormons microfilm for the Civil Registrations of Calascibetta...
If your mother saw records in latin it's possible she checked the Church registration.. civil registrations are better because for example on the birth acts you'll find the parent's name (and maiden name) their ages, their occupations, the address where they lived, the correct hour of the birth, witnesses names etc....
Considering also that the first son was born possibly on around 1880, when you'll have the correct names of the parents you can also check the marriages act :

Matrimoni 1866-1879
FHL INTL
Film 1916655

Matrimoni 1880-1909
FHL INTL
Film 1916722

I'm sure you'll find your great-great-grandparents marriage...

Good luck!

Laura

[jeffyjoe44]

Tessa/Laura

We have pulled and scanned #1916654. As I recall it's Civil Records, & didn't produce much concrete info - likely a lot is unreadable/undecipherable.

The other films I have there are:
#2013438/Baptismal (only a few indexes & mostly unreadable); box says 1558-1910, but records seem to end at 1850's & 1860's.

#2013439/Baptismal 1861-1910 - found Fanny's & Peter's records on this, & the Guiseppe w/different parents.

#2013437/Baptismal 1808-1910 - found no people who matched our people's names & dates, although some entries for Ch-M & Sodaro.

One of the ladies at the library told me from her experience the church/baptismal records were more detailed than civil records.

[pink67]

One of the ladies at the library told me from her experience the church/baptismal records were more detailed than civil records

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Generally, I don't agree with this... here in Italy Civil Registrations began on 1866/1867 (more or less) even if in the South of Italy you can find civil registration earlier than that date... and usually the civil registrations have much more details and precisions.

Example of civil birth record:

https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/File:C ... Record.jpg

on the birth act you can find also the Annotations of the marriage and the death of the person....

of course before 1866 church records are a "gold source" for genealogy...

We have pulled and scanned #1916654. As I recall it's Civil Records, & didn't produce much concrete info - likely a lot is unreadable/undecipherable.

As you know the correct birth dates of your ancestors why don't search again in the civil registrations microfilm for their birth acts and post the acts's images on this section of the forum?
http://italiangenealogy.tardio.com/Foru ... m/f=5.html

You'll find persons who can give you big help translating and deciphrating them...

Laura

[jeffyjoe44]

We will relook at the films and see. Perhaps we missed something. We did have a few oddities come up the last time we checked.

[jeffyjoe44]

We have a question now perhaps one of you can answer. We did go back and scan the birth film. We did find three of the five kids names. But they are only listed with the last name Chiaese.

It isn't until the baptismal certificates that they are named Chiaese-Manganaro. Could they have adopted this for some reason, and why do you think when they came here, did the drop the Chiaese name after arrival, and not the Manganaro part.

[jsoto]

Can anyone help me by providing instructions for attaching a document to a message? Tried to attach an Italian birth record for translation help, but unsuccessful with jpeg or tif file form.

Also, can anyone tell me how to research Italian obituaries? We have found some death dates for my gr-grandparents in Sicily & want to know if Italian obits are available online.

My son, 'jeffyjoe,' & I are researching Italian ancestors; he's contacted you before & received assistance; I'm a newcomer to this site.

Thank you!
Janet

[crindone]

My father Charles Rindone sr. was born in Calascibetta Sicily 1912. I have his birth certificate. Would like to get his fathers (Gaetano Rindone) marriage and birth certificates. (He was Born 1871 in Riesi I believe). He married Catena Cimino Rindone some where between 1907 and 1909 his second wife. First wife unknown to me, but they had a boy before here death Vincenzo Rindone born Jan.1899. I have been at this on and off for about four years now and have run into a wall in getting the info missing above. Is there anyone out there that could give a little hope in this search. Regards.....

[jeffyjoe44]

Have you tried Mormon libraries? They have birth, death, ans marriage records for całascibetta to the 1850s. My mother (62) has found tecords of many of our relatives going back four more generations. We are related to ciaese manganaros, Tita, sadaro, piazza, grazioli, giliberto, pecora, pinzino and la nogara families. Most of our family came over between 1900 and 1915.