Confused about name?

[lilbees]

I am helping someone with their genealogy and am lost on this name. It is listed in the Italian Gen records as Fadelici Rosalinda marrying Scotti Luigi 1918 in New York. I have tried several variations of Fadelici with no luck. I am trying to determine place of birth and immigration information.

Thanks,
lilbees

[johnnyonthespot]

Correct family? Both Rose and Luigi are shown as naturalized citizens; either of their naturalization papers may show her correct maiden name.

1930 United States Federal Census about Rose Scotti
Name: Rose Scotti
Home in 1930: Manhattan, New York, New York
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Luigi Scotti
Race: White
Household Members:
Name Age
Luigi Scotti 48
Rose Scotti 38
Joseph Scotti 28
Arthur Scotti 24
William Scotti 22
Gino Scotti 18
Edmund Scotti 9

[lilbees]

That is the family. His first wife, Eva Gabellani(sp?) died in 1916 and he remarried to Rosalinda Fadelici(sp?)

Eva arrived in 1898 and they married in 1901. Rosalinda's arrival is unknown but they married in 1918.

I am having a devil of a time with the spellings of both wives names. Eva was from Pavia, Lombardia. Luigi was from Bobbio, Piacenza, Lombardia.

lilbees

[johnnyonthespot]

Nothing is certain, but the 1930 census says Luigi arrived in 1897 and Rosa in 1898.

[johnnyonthespot]

I presume Edmund is Rosa(linda)'s son; perhaps his New York birth certificate would show another spelling for Rosa's surname.

Possibly this was him?

Social Security Death Index about Edmund Scotti
Name: Edmund Scotti
SSN: 124-12-5958
Last Residence: 11714 Bethpage, Nassau, New York, United States of America
Born: 21 Nov 1920
Died: 13 May 1990
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (Before 1951)

If this is him, his social security application record should show his mother's maiden name as well. http://genealogy.about.com/od/online_re ... equest.htm

[johnnyonthespot]

This obit for Edmund Scotti might give his mother's maiden name. Cost, around $4.00.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday/acc ... atl=google

Here is a newspaper article concerning the accident which killed Edmund:

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday/acc ... atl=google

[lilbees]

Thanks Carmine, that is one of the sons of Rosa. I don't believe the family has the documents you mentioned. Will have to ask.

Any luck on Eva Gabellani? Arrival? Place of birth? Correct spelling of name?

lilbees

[johnnyonthespot]

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Possible?

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Eva Gabellani
Name: Eva Gabellani
Arrival Date: 10 Nov 1898
Birth Year: abt 1877
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Port of Departure: Genoa, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Fulda

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There is a single Gabellani listed in the current Italian telephone directory, in Genova, and it does look like the "Last Residence" shown for Eva in this manifest may also say Genova. Very hard to read, however. http://www.paginebianche.it/execute.cgi ... i&dv=&l=en

[johnnyonthespot]

Do you have this 1910 census?

1910 United States Federal Census about Eva Scotti
Name: Eva Scotti
Age in 1910: 32
Estimated Birth Year: 1878
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's Name: Scarri Scotti
Home in 1910: Manhattan Ward 12, New York, New York
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Year of immigration: 1898
Household Members:
Name Age
Scarri Scotti 28
Eva Scotti 32
George Scotti 8
Arthur Scotti 4
William Scotti 2
Theresa Scotti 72 Luigi/Scarri's mother

[johnnyonthespot]

Here is the 1920 census:

United States Federal Census about William Scotti
Name: William Scotti
[William Scotte]
Home in 1920: Manhattan Assembly District 18, New York, New York
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1909
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's name: Louis Scotti
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's name: Rosie Scotti
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Name Age
Louis Scotti 37
Rosie Scotti 27
Arthur Scotti 14
William Scotti 11
Gino Scotti 8

[lilbees]

Brain not working well today!

I have all the information for Eva, her arrival and the census.

What I am missing is for Rosalinda (Rosa) Fadelici. Arrival? 1900, 1910 census before marrying Luigi. The family had Enrico for the father and a Juditha for the parents of Rosa. I don't know where that is from though.

lilbees

[johnnyonthespot]

There is so little to go on for Rosa...

There is no Italian equivalent of Judith that I am aware of (the Italian alphabet does not even have a letter "J"). We can't be certain when Rosa and her parents arrived in the US (the 1930 census shows a date which is suspiciously identical to Eva's immigration; the 1920 census does not give a date at all). The surname Fadelici does not seem to exist in Italy today, there are numerous records at ancestry . com and googling turns up many, many, hits indicating that the name may very well be correct (or at least valid).

If that was the correct Edmund that I located, I would suggest going for his birth certificate and/or social security application in the hope that you can tie down his mother's maiden name.

[lilbees]

Thanks for your efforts Carmine. Have been struggling with this for a week and that is enough. Will talk with family to see if they would be willing to send for a record or two instead of guessing.

Much appreciated.

lilbees

[johnnyonthespot]

A better option: Rosalinda's social security application. She would have entered her own maiden name as well as the names of her parents.

Social Security Death Index about Rosalinda Scotti
Name: Rosalinda Scotti
SSN: 129-52-3870
Last Residence: 10128 New York, New York, New York, United States of America
Born: 8 Feb 1892
Died: Mar 1985
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (1972)

Given the date of death and last residence, you can also seek out an obituary.

[lilbees]

I agree the SS application is the best bet. The cost of it hasn't changed much and they are pretty fast considering.

Great suggestion.

lilbees