Creating a Delayed Italian Birth Certificate

[MCKay]

Hi. I am wondering if it's possible to create a delayed birth certificate for my deceased Great Grandfather. The church record that contained his original birth certificate was burned up in a fire caused by a massive earthquake. The entire year is missing because of this fire. Does anyone know how would I be able to re-create this document or get a delayed birth certificate made?

[adelfio]

What year and what town ?
You can try the Archivio di Stato of the province of the town which holds 2nd copy of the birth act

Marty

[MCKay]

Unfortunately they never registered with the state, only the church, so that second option is not available. I have personally gone to the town of Salaparuta to find this document. The book with my Great Grandfather's birth record was 100% destroyed. I would definitely have to re-create this document somehow.

They year was 1881.

[MCKay]

Here's an excerpt from wikipedia regarding the details of the destruction of the old town:

In 1968 the original site of the town was near epicentre of the Belice Valley earthquake.[1] As a result, Salaparuta was completely destroyed and rebuilt not far from the original location. The current Salaparuta is still home to many of the citizens of the old town.

[Tessa78]

Have you checked these records (births in Salaparuta in 1881)?

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... Nati/1881/

Link to the index
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

T.

[jennabet]

Unfortunately they never registered with the state, only the church, so that second option is not available. I have personally gone to the town of Salaparuta to find this document. The book with my Great Grandfather's birth record was 100% destroyed. I would definitely have to re-create this document somehow.

They year was 1881.

Why do you think your ancestor's record would even be listed in the book that was destroyed if they never registered with the state? The towns that held the books were/are the state. Regarding the baptism record? Is this a baptism record from a church in Italy or in the US?

[adelfio]

Are you looking for Giovanni Bonanno birth act I checked 1881 not there but here is 1882
INDEX#44
1882 May 11th in the town of Salaparuta birth of Giovanni Bonanno son of Vincenco Bonanno and his wife Calogera Benenati

CLICK ON PG TO MAGNIFY BOTTOM LEFT SIDE
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 0.jpg.html

Marty

[MCKay]

Have you checked these records (births in Salaparuta in 1881)?

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... Nati/1881/

Link to the index
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

T.

Yes. I know of this record. This child died at an early age.

[MCKay]

Are you looking for Giovanni Bonanno birth act I checked 1881 not there but here is 1882
INDEX#44
1882 May 11th in the town of Salaparuta birth of Giovanni Bonanno son of Vincenco Bonanno and his wife Calogera Benenati

CLICK ON PG TO MAGNIFY BOTTOM LEFT SIDE
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 0.jpg.html

Marty

Yep. This is not the correct record unfortunately. I've come across this one a number of times gets me excited every time till I learn this child died prematurely.

[MCKay]

Unfortunately they never registered with the state, only the church, so that second option is not available. I have personally gone to the town of Salaparuta to find this document. The book with my Great Grandfather's birth record was 100% destroyed. I would definitely have to re-create this document somehow.

They year was 1881.

Why do you think your ancestor's record would even be listed in the book that was destroyed if they never registered with the state? The towns that held the books were/are the state. Regarding the baptism record? Is this a baptism record from a church in Italy or in the US?

Honestly I have no idea if they even registered with the church. If they did it would have been in Italy. The only reason I have to go off of is the fact that my GGF was very religious. But is there a point you are making here?

[Italysearcher]

Born in 1881 or 1882 he should appear in a Lista di Leva in the Archivio di Stato and there may even be a Foglio matricolare.

[MCKay]

Born in 1881 or 1882 he should appear in a Lista di Leva in the Archivio di Stato and there may even be a Foglio matricolare.

He is not there. I've checked.

[jennabet]

If your grand-father was never registered with the state or with the church, no-one is going to make up a an Italian birth certificate without a live witness who knew him before he left Italy. I know some people have gotten away with doing that sort of thing for a deceased person in the US and you probably read about it in one of these forums but that doesn't mean it's right or legal in Italy.

[Italysearcher]

So let me understand. Giovanni born in 1882 died in infancy but he was given the same name as a brother born a year earlier in 1881? That doesn't make a lot of sense. Usually a child who is born is given the name of one who was deceased earlier.
The Lista di Leva is not on-line.
Gli atti della leva sono raccolti nel fondo UFFICIO LEVA DI TRAPANI. Si tratta delle liste della leva di terra per i nati tra il 1840 e il 1914 e delle liste della leva di mare per i nati tra il 1900 e il 1926. Per ogni iscritto vengono annotati maternità, paternità, domicilio, professione , dati somatici e l'esito della visita (abile, riformato, rimandato). L'inventario delle fonti, ordinate per comune, è consultabile nel sito www.archivi-sias, Archivio di Stato di Trapani, Ufficio leva.
I suggest you write to the Archvio di Stato di Trapani, Ufficio leva.

[MCKay]

So let me understand. Giovanni born in 1882 died in infancy but he was given the same name as a brother born a year earlier in 1881? That doesn't make a lot of sense. Usually a child who is born is given the name of one who was deceased earlier.
The Lista di Leva is not on-line.
Gli atti della leva sono raccolti nel fondo UFFICIO LEVA DI TRAPANI. Si tratta delle liste della leva di terra per i nati tra il 1840 e il 1914 e delle liste della leva di mare per i nati tra il 1900 e il 1926. Per ogni iscritto vengono annotati maternità, paternità, domicilio, professione , dati somatici e l'esito della visita (abile, riformato, rimandato). L'inventario delle fonti, ordinate per comune, è consultabile nel sito www.archivi-sias, Archivio di Stato di Trapani, Ufficio leva.
I suggest you write to the Archvio di Stato di Trapani, Ufficio leva.

Yes. I already hired a geanelogist to do this last year. The boy listed in the index is not related to my grandfather. Does anyone know how to re-create a birth certificate that was destroyed???