Ideas about FLORIO's

[stfrancis]

Im looking for a method to find where my GGrandfather and his wife came from in Italy (Commune). Unfortunately no success with info from relatives who are living in NY.

He is Michele Florio (various spellings of course), born circa 1840's, prob married in Italy to Catherina Urga (Urgo,Urcca,Gorga)....circa 1860's. I have traced him somewhat in Manhattan. Death certificate says he arrived circa 1872. He died in 1880, on Mott st.

It looks like they had children, Michele, Alfredo, Lilly, (Giovanni,died at birth) in Manhattan. I have quite a bit of their info after he died.

Catherina died in 1889 in Manhattan. She arrived circa 1875.After her first husband died, she married again to Giov Focarile.

I checked the Italian Names Distribution, and it seems like the name is mostly in Campania or Puglia...Urga (if spelled correct) is a rare name it seems.

The ship lists dont tell me much. I also looked in Ancestry and Family Search but they dont seem to be indexed yet.

[Italysearcher]

There are tips on Finding the town of origin on my website that might help.

[stfrancis]

Thank you. Very Interesting work. I think I did much of what you mentioned already, but not much result yet.

I forgot to mention Caterina Urga's parents as listed on her 2nd marriage are Vincenzo Gorga and Teresa Madero.

Most likely the Florio's , Urga (Gorga), and Madero (or Madera) are from the south or central areas.

I also verified the Antenati site.

[suanj]

Hi,
by this record Michele seeming born after 1840:
Giovanni Florio
New York, New York City Births
Name Giovanni Florio
Event Type Birth
Event Date 20 Mar 1880
Event Place Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Gender Male
Race White
Father's Name Michele Florio
Father's Birthplace Italy
Father's Age 33
Mother's Name Catharina Urga Florio
Mother's Birthplace Italy
Mother's Age 30

Regards,
suanj

[suanj]

Michele arrival:
Micheli Florio
New York Passenger Lists
Name Micheli Florio
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 1872
Event Place New York City, New York, United States
Gender Male
Age 27
Birth Year (Estimated) 1845
Birthplace Italy
Ship Name The Queen

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... cc=1849782
suanj

[suanj]

Caterina( maybe right arrival):
Caterina Maria Gorga
New York Passenger Lists
Name Caterina Maria Gorga
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 1876
Event Place New York City, New York, United States
Gender Female
Age 31
Birth Year (Estimated) 1845
Birthplace Italy
Ship Name Alexandria
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... cc=1849782
suanj

[stfrancis]

thank you Suanj
These are the NY records I have found, among several others. So I have a lot of names and dates, but none of the records indicate where they originated from in Italy, cause its too early. Likewise I found a naturalization for Michele, possibly him, but only includes an additional name and address (Puccini, Crosby Street). Likewise with the 1880 Census, he is named Mike Froll.

His wifes name on the Census is listed as "Agnes", but his Mott street address matches that on his death certificate.

that ship list would suggest they married after their arrival, which I doubt since there is no marriage, or evidence, I have found in NY and the first born son, also Michele, was born circa 1876.

I also learned one son, named Alfredo, born 1880, has the additional name Alfredo SERENO Florio on his baptism.
thank you

[suanj]

Ok,
I posted the records, because so we can read here and to think abt the possible birthplaces... without to search evertime,so to remember...
I agree that no marriage record in New York, almost by a brief search.... but it is no sure...
abt the arrivals I am positive, abt the Caterina mother maiden name maybe right MATTERA, abt the possible birth region I am positive abt Campania (Salerno or Naples province) and at least also a area of Potenza province in Basilicata region near Salerno province.. these are the most probable provinces: Salerno, Napoli, Potenza...
just my opinion...
best regards,
suanj

[adelfio]

Hi
Just some possibilities from the archivio di stato di Salerno

Nome: Michele Florio
Classe: 1846
Comune di nascita: Sarno
Full text: Florio Michele di Saverio e Buglione Angela Maria nato il 8/11/1846 a Sarno di professione Contadino


Nome: Michele Florio
Classe: 1848
Comune di nascita: Sarno
Full text: Florio Michele di Antonio e Spinelli Maria nato il 3/1/1848 a _ di professione Contadino


Marty

[stfrancis]

OK Excellent, thank you, I noticed quite a few from Salerno also.

Here then is the link for Caterina REmarriage:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F6HG-M3M

and her death:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W8T-QQ5

and Michele Florio Death:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... print=true

[stfrancis]

Thank you Adelfio, good of you to do those searches for me. Its a starting point hopefully.

I used the Antenati site to look for any marriage Michele Florio -Gorga, but no luck. I guess many records are not there yet depending on the region.

Family search also has images for Potenza communes...

[suanj]

Hi,
yes I had already seen both records of Michele death and Caterina second marriage.
suanj

[suanj]

By Michele Jr birth and Death records.. the mother maiden name seeming Urga...
Michele Florio
mentioned in the record of Giovanni Florio
Name Michele Florio
gender Male
Wife Catharina Urga Florio
Son Giovanni Florio
Other information in the record of Giovanni Florio
from New York Births and Christenings
Name Giovanni Florio
Gender Male
Birth Date 20 Mar 1880
Birthplace BIRTH CERTIFICATES, MANHATTAN, NEW YORK, NEW YORK
Father's Name Michele Florio
Mother's Name Catharina Urga Florio


Michele Florio
New York, New York City Municipal Deaths
Name Michele Florio
Event Type Death
Event Date 11 Oct 1908
Event Place Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Residence Place , New York, New York
Gender Male
Age 32
Marital Status Married
Race White
Occupation composer
Birth Year (Estimated) 1876
Birthplace N. Y. City
Burial Date 13 Oct 1908
Cemetery Calvary
Father's Name Michele Florio
Father's Birthplace Italy
Mother's Name Catarina Uicca
Mother's Birthplace Italy


however I am a bit positive for the Basilicata region as birtharea....
suanj

[suanj]

Also on Alfredo marriage record Urga .. so maybe Urga right more than Gorga....
suanj

[stfrancis]

thank you , I know its difficult to figure.

Here is ALfred Florio marriage for everyone:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... print=true



For what its worth I QUICKLY went thru Indici Matrimoni for Vaglia Basilicata, up to 1878, and I dont think I saw any Florio named. The images are on FS.

Since the first son, Michele JR is born circa 1876, marriage should be right before...maybe. Another sibling, Lilly Florio, (sister of Michele Jr, and Alfredo, Giovanni) is my Grandmother, moved to Montreal in 1909.