John, I'm sure I'm covering territory you've already searched here, but I noticed on the ellis site that many Bonarrigos came from a town in Messina called "Gualtieri Sicamino."

I see on the map that Gualtieri Sicamino is quite close to Barcellona (about 15 kilometers). Is this one of the towns you ...

makes me apprecieate my french canadian ancestry more every day!!! i have virtually every birth,marriage,and death for 10-12 generations back into france.and then some french records from the department of aisne,just north of paris.my mothers lines were desforges and bernier.

There was a Bernier ...

costante wrote:they came into boston,not ellis island,in 1902.

Oh yes, I see, arrived at Port of Boston on Jun. 1, 1902 on the SS Vancouver, sailed from Naples May 18, 1902.

the worst possible scenario-and at only my grandmothers generation!!!why couldnt it have been her grandmother-lol.as i said-i'd be happy to just find records for maria bonarrigo and the even more elusive francesco laudino.he was noted as not being of known whereabouts at the birth of his daughter ...

i've had much greater success with my mothers french canadian lines.260 charts going back through quebec and into france

My late husband was French-Canadian (Grenier), his parents both came to the U.S. from Quebec as children. His mother's side was Pelletier. So my children like you are half ...

i didnt say that.just that i thought there may have been some sort of blood kinship,as i would think not every wetnurse would take a child in as her own,unless they were related-or a close friend of the mother.i'm pretty cetain maria bonarrigo wasnt the natural mother,as my grandmother was born ...

you researchers out there not having to deal with"ignoti genitori"don't know how fortunate you are!!!its so common that not to have it crop up in your grandparents or ggrandparents lines is nothing short of astounding.and for some odd reason,it seems to be more common with the females than the ...

I don't pretend to know the first thing about your family or grandmother.... but from an outsider's perspective, these statements do not quite line up. A heavy burden..... that doesn't matter?

I never said that the burden was something that doesn't matter.

The first line that you highlighted in ...

no doubt the birth parents of these children were known.but this system did everyone a great injustice.both the parents and children-as well as future genealogists.

I agree, those who were the most defenseless and innocent, the children, were the ones who bore the heavy burden of stigma that was ...

i've done lots of research into this.theres an excelent book that you might have read"sacrificed for honor"by david kertzer,a proffessor at brown university in r.i.it details very carefully the whole system of infant abandonment in italy.very well written.lots of blame on the catholic church-which ...

thanks.i appreciate your help.but as i said-nothing i've found to date has led me any closer to the information i need in messina.i need something solid-and even if there were a prior marriage to the 1905 one,theres nothing there to work with that would lead me to the information i'm seeking ...

my grandmother considered maria bonarrigo her"mother'as she never knew her birth mother.also,on the 1902 passenger record,of which i have a copy,maria bonarrigo lists maria costante as her:adopted:daughter.if she were the natural mother,why would she state that?

Ah, but you see you are looking at ...

the bottom line is that none of this information leads me to what comune in messina maria bonarrigo and francesco laudino were born in-or where they married-or where francesco died.and thats what i'm looking for....

True, just thought I'd do a bit of digging and share the few things I found. I'm ...

the marriage to giuseppe logrippo in boston in 1905 was the first marriage.i have no idea who these other people are in the 1904 marriage.very odd that the name is similiar-and the mothers name was maria bonarrigo.let me check family search again.this is where you found it???

Yes, it's on the ...

costante wrote:i just went to family search and couldn't find the entry you mentioned.where did you find it?

The surname of the groom is misspelled on family search. If you type it in like "Orazio Lobate," it should be the first hit on the results page.