Genealogy of surname Trotti----Help?!?!?!

[sylogician]

Thank you Bonval. You are very welcome on this thread. I too have often marvelled at the fortitude of the women who emigrated to the shores of early America. I have also been fascinated by those who remained behind on the Continent. It is always sobering to go through records where many of the children die within the first few years of life and men (or women) marry second, third or more spouses, representing not divorce but separation through death. More often than not, the women are the ones dying and usually in child birth or associated illnesses.

Thus, inspired by the subject, I thought it would be fitting this month to share select stories of some women from the Trotti family. Too often we become preoccupied with who our male ancestors were (because it is easier to trace paternal last names) and what they did (because boys hitting boys with swords always makes for swashbuckling fun tales), forgetting that half our ancestors were women. Yet in many cases their stories are as fascinating as their male counterparts – moreso perhaps because of the great social restrictions placed upon them.

Here are four examples of interesting women who stood out in their times. These are all taken, pretty much verbatim from the Guasco and Calvi texts, translated from the Italian and edited for space.

The first is a fragmentary memory from nearly a thousand years ago.

DOMINA TROTTI (also Lady Trotti or Trota) She is often erroneously called Trotula after the title of an abridged version of a medical text attributed to her (The Trotula, or Trota minor). Lady Trota lived in Ferrara and Salerno in the eleventh century (between 1040-1097). English pilgrims of the time recorded her as “Dame Trotti.â€

[ptrotti]

David,

It is with great saddness that I have not check on this post in a while. I gave up on this when I saw no reply to it for a few months. But David, let me say that you have just MADE MY DAY!!!!! WOW!! What wonderful history you have on the Trotti family, and I have enjoyed your post, most wonderful to say the least!!!!

From some of the post that you have done, it looks like you might have a book that was redone my a Thomas Van------- (To keep him safe I will not give all of the last name) ? Do you have a copy of this book? If not I would be happy to e-mail it to you. But, from this book Thomas stated Gasper's last name was written as Trotti/Pungo. Could this be from the House of Pugno? What do you think??

Paul

[sylogician]

Paul,

Thanks for starting the thread. It's nice to connect with you. I wasn't sure when you might pass this way again. Glad you've enjoyed catching up.

I have an original copy of Virginia Trotti Dormon Miller's book from the 1940's. I haven't seen an updated version, but would be interested to see what has been expanded. I've input the 40's version as an MS Word file.

I've also been expanding the aforementioned Guasco tables. I'd be happy to email you a copy.

I'm from the line Gaspar... Francis.... Laurence Jefferson... John Patterson from Georgia.

Lately I've been following up on a possible family connection to the Von Trotha's of Halle and Magdeburg, Prussia. It intrigues me because just a few years before Gaspar's ancestor Anthony appeared in Switzerland, offshoots of the Von Trothas (the older variations are Trotte and Trota) begin appearing with names like Hans and Caspar. It's also interesting because there is a pretty tight connection between the Saxon nobles of the 13th and 14th centuries and the Trottis, in particular those in Ferrara and Milan. But as to which way a possible migration may have occurred or if the connection was formed simply because the names were similar is unclear. It's all speculation at the moment, but it keeps me intrigued till I can get overseas and do some more concrete research.

As a side note on the Trotti-Pugno signature... I have not seen the document mentioned, but I have seen other documents where "pugno" was affixed after the name meaning "signed by my hand." Again, as I have not seen the document, I do not know if the intent was a hyphenate name or a declaration. But I'm open to the avenue of exploration.

Good luck and let me know an email I can send the Guasco file to. I think you'll find it fascinating. My email is sylogician@aol.com.

Best regards,

David

[ptrotti]

David,

Good to hear from you!!
I'v e-mailed you a copy of the "updated" book, please let me know if you can not open it and i will send it in a different way.
Also would love to see the Guasco file.

I'm from the Gasper line.. James Franics... John Lawrence...Lawrence Isaiah...

As far as the Trotti-Pugno signature, I have not seen the documents as well, but in chating with the arthur of the updated Miller book, he was the one who saw the document. I will try to find his e-mail address for you.

Again, thank you for the information.
Best to you,
Paul Trotti

[ptrotti]

Here is a copy of the message Thomas had posted a few years ago:


Marriage Record of Gaspar Trotti Pugno and Clara Julia Coroneus

The name Gaspar Trotti Pugno, fooled me. I found the marriage record some time ago, but decided that the name just wasn't correct and forgot about it. It took seeing the record in the light of the whole picture that changed my mind. Here are those reasons.

1. Trotti Pugno could be Trotti-Pugno. This could indicate that Trotti is his father's last name and Pugno is his mother's last name.

2. The date and location. March 1768 is in the middle of the dates when the foreign names fill up the Marriage book.

3. The Bride's family name Coroneus. This was the only Coroneos family in the Marriage, Death and Baptismal records. I have Clara and her brother, Pau, being baptized in 1752 and 1751 respectively.

4. The Baptismal records show the parents of Clara Coroneus to be Jordi Coroneus and Juanna Maria Gomila, just like the marriage of Gaspar and Clara does.

5. Father Camps shows the parents of Lawrence George Troti to be Gaspar Troti and Clara Corneus parents. They also show Juanna Maria Coroneus, the mother of Clara, in Florida

Thomas had also posted this:

Gaspar or his wife, Clara, become parents to Lorenzo Gorge Troti (Lawrence George Trotti) baptized February 10, 1771 and born February 3, 1771 and Francisco Juan Andres Troti (Francis John Andrew Trotti) baptized March 25, 1773 and born March 21, 1773. Between 1768 and 1773, Gaspar and Clara are also Godparents to 15 other children. The Baptismal records also give us the information that Juanna Maria Coroneus, the mother of Clara Coroneus, came with the colony. She is listed as Godmother twice.
This information comes from the church of San Pedro de Mosquito, whose pastor, Curate Doctor Pedro Camps, records the baptisms. Father Camps apparently did not have enough paper to keep up with the marriages and deaths, as no record of them has been found. His baptismal records become known as "The Golden Book of the Minorcans of Florida." These are the only known vital records to survive the colony. These records are moved from New Smyrna to St. Augustine when the surviving Minorcans, Greeks and Italians flee the colony in 1777.

I'm in the process of trying to find "the Golden Book of the Minorcans of Florida" to see how the names are listed.

Paul

[ptrotti]

Hello to all,
I finally got in contact with the people who has a hand written copy of the Golden Book of the Minorcans of Florida, here is what they sent me....

Gaspar Trotti & Clara Coroneus, Marriage Records Diocese of Minorca Vol.
7, Pg. 66

Die Vigesima Marty, Anni Mellesimi Septingentesimi Sexa-
gesimi octavi. Rdus Dionysius Gomes, Pr, acbus denuntiationibus
facty et ab unltima spatio virginli quatuor honarum elapso nullo
que detecto impedimento Plicentia, per Illrus (sic) ac admonum
Rdr Gros Elio adstitit Matrimonio quod per verbad presenti
contraxeront Gaspar Trotti Pugno filius Bartolomei et
Theresia Maria panchig 8no Marci et
M Leonardo A hujus magonis
Parochie habit: cum Clara Corneus Dla filia Jorgi et Joanna
Maria Gomila Cgee Hujua magonis Parochie Presentibus tes-
tibus Rdo Josepho Mifsos Pr, et Bartholomeo Luquasi
Josepho Mifsos Pr, ac bus

Hope this helps.

Paul

[ptrottiUSA]

I can see that this post has not been updated in a while.
I am also a from this line- and have been looking and researching for a while on this line

[ptrottiUSA]

I find A COUPLE OF THINGS INTERESTING IN this thread. in the book by Virginia Trotti Dormon Miller's, she states that in the Trotti bible the first Trotti in this line was Antonio Trotti who was part of the German "Golden Fleece." is it possible that the person she was referring to was the--Antonio Trotti was created Master Field Infantry third German in the year 1659, after he was appointed Colonel of a regiment and decree of 1675, Charles II gave him the Golden Fleece insigne di Lodovico Guarniero Marquis Trotti was created for themselves and their descendants Ranuzio Farnese, Duke of Parma and Piacenza with patent February 5 of 1688?

[Jtrotti]

Hello my name is John Trotti II just looking for a little insight into my history any info would help. The farthest I have been able to get is Gasper Joseph Trotti which was the father of James Francis Trotti which is the father of John Lawrence Trotti and so on down the line.

My email is mrtrotti84@gmail.com
Thank you in advance for your time.

[chantigger]

I am hoping so very much that the people on this thread are still keeping an eye out and will respond. I discovered this hidden jewel just this minute and am excited. This may help me in my quest to prove ancestry for my DAR lineage research.

Might I be a lucky recipient of all the wonderful documents mentioned in the thread? My email is chantigger@yahoo.com

I have every reason to believe that I am a descendant of Gaspar Trotti (1740-1813).

Does anyone know of any DNA testing that has been done on this line outside Ancestry.com?

Thank you! And hopeful!

[pltrotti]

hey there,

As you may see my my user name has changed a little as i have not been by this tread in a very long time.

I am still searching for the connection with Gasper Trotti and Italy. With the new records out from a very sites i have started a long search reading through these. I also have made a few connections in Italy, with archived information/records. The computer that i had all the information, (like Davids tablets, the updated book of the Trotti's) has been lost in a computer crash prior to having cloud storage. VERY SAD... But now that i am back at this, I will come by here as often as i can and update people as i can.

Thank you for all your help.