Lise: Surname of g g grandfather and missing g grandfather.

[mfjp]

"But then this 1909 Ellis Island record (of Giuseppe Lise, whose father was Giuseppe too) is bothering."
re: father? Giuseppe
1912 Antonio manifest says uncle Giuseppe
1909 Giuseppe manifest says 'parent' Giuseppe

The 1909 manifest goes back to Macdougal St... too...

Here's a younger Giuseppe Lise born 1891

First Name: Guiseppe
Last Name: Lise
Ethnicity: Italy, North Italian
Last Place of Residence: Meano, Italy
Date of Arrival: Jun 19, 1909
Age at Arrival: 18y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: La Lorraine
Port of Departure: Havre
Manifest Line Number: 0028

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 1624020058

Maria

[Marcialise]

Well.. I see that Antonio, Guiseppe and Angelo are brothers....

She will be joining Uncle Antonio on Macdougal St., leaves father Angelo behind in Italy

First Name: Marie Adelson
Last Name: Lise
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian North
Last Place of Residence: Meano, Italy
Date of Arrival: Dec 25, 1909
Age at Arrival: 18y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: La Touraine
Port of Departure: Havre
Manifest Line Number: 0020

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0030%2ETIF

Maria

Is it possible that Marie above and Giuseppe (born Giustina and last residence was in Meano) appearing on Ellis Island 1909are siblings? So this Giuseppe isn't my great grandfather in fact. Marie and Giuseppe who both lived in Meano once probably joined their uncle Giuseppe Lise...? Am I right?

Need a little break. I'll be back in about an hour...

Sorry guys... I'm getting slightly confused.

I'm doing a big report on all the information gathered here... once compiled I'll put it up on the web. It's getting very complex...

[mfjp]

Well.. I see that Antonio, Guiseppe and Angelo are brothers....

She will be joining Uncle Antonio on Macdougal St., leaves father Angelo behind in Italy

First Name: Marie Adelson
Last Name: Lise
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian North
Last Place of Residence: Meano, Italy
Date of Arrival: Dec 25, 1909
Age at Arrival: 18y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: La Touraine
Port of Departure: Havre
Manifest Line Number: 0020

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0030%2ETIF

Maria

Is it possible that Marie above and Giuseppe (born Giustina and last residence was in Meano) appearing on Ellis Island 1909are siblings? So this Giuseppe isn't my great grandfather in fact. Marie and Giuseppe who both lived in Meano once probably joined their uncle Giuseppe Lise...? Am I right?

Need a little break. I'll be back in about an hour...

Sorry guys... I'm getting slightly confused.

I'm doing a big report on all the information gathered here... once compiled I'll put it up on the web. It's getting very complex...

Before you go...

I think Guiseppe and Marie were cousins... since her father is Angelo...

I think there was a problem with Guiseppe's 1909 manifest.. but my hunch is that his father was Antonio...even tho it say Guiseppe...

I am hoping that the Antonio Lise - (Mosaic worker) is your Guglielmo Antonio Lise....

Maria

Need to take a break too...

[Marcialise]

I always pay attention to vj's post... best to follow up on her work!! Her work is awesome...

Sure!!

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Here's the 1902 Detained list...

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2515/tif2gif6wf0.gif

Bleeker St.??

Carmine St, Downing St, Mac Dougal St and Bleacker St are all within a 500 meters radius.

[Marcialise]

Here's a map of the Italian towns/region concerned:



All three names - Belluno, Guistina, Meano are within 15km away from each other.

[vj]

"But then this 1909 Ellis Island record (of Giuseppe Lise, whose father was Giuseppe too) is bothering."
re: father? Giuseppe
1912 Antonio manifest says uncle Giuseppe
1909 Giuseppe manifest says 'parent' Giuseppe

I'm so sorry, I meant 1912 Alberto manifest - not Antonio
(Umberto in 1902 manifest?, Alberto on 1910 census & 1912 manifest)
says uncle Giuseppe.

Valarie

[Marcialise]

No problem Val! It's easy to get names confused... my mind is a mess with so many Josephs and Marias.


Could somebody possibly check this persons's WWII reg record? Louis Lise (my grandfather's brother)

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse. ... 3a7896%3a0

[vj]

Name: Louis J Lise
Birth Year: 1920
Race: White, citizen
Nativity State or Country: New York
State: New York
County or City: Westchester

Enlistment Date: 28 Nov 1940
Enlistment State: New York
Enlistment City: New York City
Branch: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA
Branch Code: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA
Grade: Private
Grade Code: Private
Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men)
Source: Civil Life

Education: 2 years of high school
Marital Status: Single, without dependents
Height: 67
Weight: 145

[Marcialise]

Wow that was quick Val! Thank you. Not so much info on this one ...
I wonder if Joseph/Giuseppe Lise was Louis' father or not.. maybe I could request a birth certificate to check because I'm so suspicious of this Joseph/Giuseppe, he's never on the Census...!

[vj]

Good idea to check all 4 of Josephine's kids?
All born in Westchester County?
Valarie

[Marcialise]

Good idea to check all 4 of Josephine's kids?
All born in Westchester County?
Valarie

True true.

William Anthony (B 1913, D 1970) - awaiting birth certificate from New York county but it may actually had been registered at Westchester... now that I think of it.

Maria (B 1914, still living in California!)

Reta (B 1917, Married Joseph Giangrego, D 2001)

Louis (B 1920, Married Carmella DiMaggio, D 1978)


I'll wait to see if the birth certificate comes and if it doesn't then I assume it's in Westchester... I find itmuch more difficult to order things from Westchester because I need to send cheques (in dollars), stamped envelopes etc .. NY county does things online so it's pretty simple.

[Marcialise]

1910 Cenus vj posted earlier...

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/6410 ... susrg5.jpg

1910 lise census
(hard to read, 2nd family up from bottom of page)
Antonio Lise
Age in 1910: 44 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 BirthPlace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouses's Name: Sannia
Home in 1910: New Rochelle Ward 4, Westchester, New York
Year of Immigration: 1895

Sannia Lise
Age in 1910: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 BirthPlace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Year of Immigration: 1902

Gingeppe (Giuseppe) Lise
Age in 1910: 11 (19) Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899 (1891)BirthPlace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Son
Year of Immigration: 1902

Alberto Lise
Age in 1910: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894 BirthPlace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Son
Year of Immigration: 1902

...

This actually isn't the same family as the one in the 1902 manifest!? Because in the 1902 manifest the wife is Emma, children are Giuseppe, Umberto and Adolfina...

[vj]

note: for 1910 census
Sannia (Emma?) 3 children born/2 living

[Marcialise]

Aaaaah Val. Well spotted... so Adolfina died young. I get carried away very easily..

Because of the writing that can be read as Emma I guess. There's so many up and downs in geneaological research...

[Marcialise]

So now I have to prove that Joseph/Giuseppe Lise naturalised after 13 March 1913 (when my gradfather was born). In 1910 (census), Joseph/Giuseppe appears to be an alien still along all his other family members. I wonder if he naturalised between 1910 and March 1913... This is exciting but slightly nerve wrecking too. He definitely was a naturalised citizen in 1917 (WWI reg card).

I've just emailed NARA re naturalisation records. Hope to get an answer soon..