Giuseppe Carrozza and Rosa Polizzi of Palermo

[liviomoreno]

I am trying to figure out what cities Salvatore's great-grandparents were from
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Marriage of Saverio Campo and Maria Anna Narisi (After looking closer its Narisi)
1808 Oct 20th in the town of Monreale Palermo church of Santa Maria Nuova appeared Saverio Campo son of deceased Filippo Campo and Ninfa Campo married Maria Anna Narisi daughter of deceased Antonino Narisi and the living Vincenza Narisi. .(No maiden names of the mothers listed have to find the bride and grooms baptism records to get that info)

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,351253601

Marty

Saverio from Monreale
Anna Maria from Monreale

The wording is: "di questa suddetta città"

[James Snavely]

Thank you Livio

[Edward Keeports]

Has anyone had any luck finding the birth of Vincenzo Carrozza, son of Marco Carrozza and Caterina Benenati? It should be some time between 1657 and 1683.

[adelfio]

Baptism of Paolo Vincenzo Carrozza
Record#349
1660 Dec 28th in the town of Monreale Church of Santa Maria Nuova baptism of Paolo Vincenzo Carrozza Marco Carrozza and Caterina Carrozza (no maiden name listed just married)

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Marty

[James Snavely]

Baptism of Paolo Vincenzo Carrozza
Record#349
1660 Dec 28th in the town of Monreale Church of Santa Maria Nuova baptism of Paolo Vincenzo Carrozza Marco Carrozza and Caterina Carrozza (no maiden name listed just married)

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Marty

Thank you Marty
Was it common for Sicilians of this time to go by their middle names?

[James Snavely]

Baptism of Paolo Vincenzo Carrozza
Record#349
1660 Dec 28th in the town of Monreale Church of Santa Maria Nuova baptism of Paolo Vincenzo Carrozza Marco Carrozza and Caterina Carrozza (no maiden name listed just married)

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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2046915

Marty

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2046915
Death of Vincenzo Carrozza, son of Marco Caterina, 3rd on right
This is from August 1729, when he would have been 68. However, the death record says he was 55. I know a few years of innacuracy is to be expected, but this seems like to much of an inconsistency.

[adelfio]

Sorry about that should have known better the 1676 indexes were buried at the end of the registry finally found him
Great work on the death record of Vincenzo Carrozza

Heres the right Vincenzo Vito Carrozza baptism record Paolo is his brother
Record#51
1676 Feb 20th in the town of Monreale Church of Santa Maria Nuova baptism of Vincenzo Vito Carrozza son of Marco Carrozza and Caterina Carrozza (no maiden name listed just married)
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2046915

Marty

[James Snavely]

Sorry about that should have known better the 1676 indexes were buried at the end of the registry finally found him
Great work on the death record of Vincenzo Carrozza

Heres the right Vincenzo Vito Carrozza baptism record Paolo is his brother
Record#51
1676 Feb 20th in the town of Monreale Church of Santa Maria Nuova baptism of Vincenzo Vito Carrozza son of Marco Carrozza and Caterina Carrozza (no maiden name listed just married)
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2046915

Marty

Thanks Marty!

I was inspired by you making a branch line for the records that you don't have, and so I made this:

Carrozza Branch Line

Nicola Carrozza
Pietro Carrozza
Guglielmo Carrozza (1569-1623)
Vincenzo Carrozza (1592-16??)
Marco Carrozza (1630-1683)
Vincenzo Carrozza (1676-1729)
Giovanni Carrozza (1704-17??)
Rocco Carrozza (1728-1797)
Ignazio Carrozza (1777-1848)
Giuseppe Carrozza Sr (1805-18??)
Giuseppe Carrozza Jr (1844-1901)
Salvatore Carrozza (1884-1959)


Missing Birth Records

Nicola Carrozza (either not in Monreale or before 1527, either way, it will probably not be found) - no later than 1525
Pietro Carrozza (either not in Monreale or before 1527, either way, it will probably not be found) - no later than 1545


Missing Marriage Records

Nicola and Constanza Carrozza (either not in Monreale or before 1527, either way, it will probably not be found)


Missing Death Records

Nicola Carrozza - died before January 1565 (possibly not in Monreale, and death records from the 1500s aren't indexed - probably won't be able to find this one)
Pietro Carrozza - died between April 1591 and August 1623 (depending on what year he died, this one may actually be accessible
Vincenzo Carrozza - died between November 1657 and April 1683
Giovanni Carrozza - died between November 1754 and January 1775
Giuseppe Carrozza Sr - died between January 1880 and July 1901

[James Snavely]

Records are getting pretty tough to read lots of abrevations

Marriage of Pietro Carrozza and Lauria Rindicella
Record #8
1565 Jan 7th in the town of Monreale Church of Santa Maria Nuova appeared Pietro Carrozza son of Nicola Carrozza and Costanza Carrozza and Lauria Rindicella daughter of Luca Rindicella and Antonella??? Rindicella
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2046915

There is a Pietro Carrozza death 2/3 of the way down on the left, but I am not convinced it is the right one.

[adelfio]

That's the death record of Pietro Carrozza son of Francesco and Giovanna Carrozza

Marty

[nathalie297]

This is amazing!

[James Snavely]

That's the death record of Pietro Carrozza son of Francesco and Giovanna Carrozza

Marty

New Strategy:
I looked through the baptism indexes to find other children of Pietro & Lauria Carrozza.

Giacomo – July 17, 1571
Filippo – November 1, 1573
Dinata – March 15, 1577
Andrea – November 20, 1579
Franco – October 10, 1584

I will look for their marriages, and see if Pietro and Lauria are still listed as alive on those records.
Since Franco would likely not have marriage before 1605 at the earliest, finding his marriage would probably be the most useful. I will search for it now.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2046915

Filippo's April 14, 1608 marriage is on the bottom right- I can't tell of Pietro and Lauria are dead or alive, can you please help me?

[liviomoreno]

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I looked through the baptism indexes to find other children of Pietro & Laura (not Lauria) Carrozza.

Giacomo – July 17, 1571
Filippo – November 1, 1573
Disiata – March 15, 1577
Andrea – November 20, 1579
Franco – October 10, 1584
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[James Snavely]

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I looked through the baptism indexes to find other children of Pietro & Laura (not Lauria) Carrozza.

Giacomo – July 17, 1571
Filippo – November 1, 1573
Disiata – March 15, 1577
Andrea – November 20, 1579
Franco – October 10, 1584
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Thank you Livio

I googled Disiata, and got a lot of results related to the Jews in Sicily. Do you think this family was originally Jewish?

[liviomoreno]

I'm not aware of any Jewish connection of the name Desiata.
The name derives from the verb "desiare" (nowadays "desiderare") and means "desired". In French "Désirée"