Carachiolo, Rosa/Carrabse, Giovanni MARRIAGE

[dmurphy1940]

for a translation please.

[AngelaGrace56]

Marriage No 28: Giovanni Carrabse and Rosa Caracciolo
Gesualdo: 17 December 1845

Groom: Giovanni Carrabse, 35, born this town, contadino, living Strada Campo, son of Nicola Carrabse, contadino, living said Strada, and of Livia di Girolamo, living with her huband

Bride: Rosa Caracciolo, 24, born this town, living Strada Cavallo, daughter of deceased Pietro Carracciolo and of Margaritta Carrabse, who lived with her daughter.

(You may find as you are going through the records that the surname Carrabse is spelt without the "e" at the end, so look out for that.)

Angela

[dmurphy1940]

I have noticed that, Angela.....why do some of the names differ??

[AngelaGrace56]

Salve Dolores!

Good question. I think that there is probably several reasons why the spelling of the names have changed over the years. I think the obvious one would be that because there was a lot of illiteracy, and people didn't know how to spell their own names, that often the clerk would write down phonetically what he was hearing.

Sometimes also the changes may have been dialectic or regional, and sometimes the changes may have been made with the aim to create a distinction between different family groups. (Possibly class distinction may have had something to do with this as well, not sure.) You might also notice in your records that a person's surname has become completely different (a nickname) or the nickname has been added to the surname.

(I've seen a couple, or so, of interesting name changes in my own records, which I initially found frustrating because I like everything to be perfect. I've kept really good notes setting out the steps that I have taken, records I have found etc to reach my conclusion. It's always helpful when you find a record that says “aka” on it.)

There is a book called “Our Italian Surnames” written by Joseph G Fucilla which I have on my shelf and use as a text book. You may have this in your local library and may find it interesting and helpful.

Someone else might want to chime in and add their experience and knowledge on the subject.

Angela

[dmurphy1940]

Thank you for that information, Angela!

Do you think that the bride's surname has two "c"s and two "r"s in her name and does the mother have two "t"s in her first name (Margarita)?

[AngelaGrace56]

Marriage No 28: Giovanni Carrabse and Rosa Caracciolo
Gesualdo: 17 December 1845

Groom: Giovanni Carrabse, 35, born this town, contadino, living Strada Campo, son of Nicola Carrabse, contadino, living said Strada, and of Livia di Girolamo, living with her huband

Bride: Rosa Caracciolo, 24, born this town, living Strada Cavallo, daughter of deceased Pietro Caracciolo and of Margarita Carrabse, who lived with her daughter.

(You may find as you are going through the records that the surname Carrabse is spelt without the "e" at the end, so look out for that.)

Angela

Thank you for that information, Angela!

Do you think that the bride's surname has two "c"s and two "r"s in her name and does the mother have two "t"s in her first name (Margarita)?

Happy to help.

Two cc's and one r - Caracciolo
One t - Margarita

Great spotting, Dolores. You should be our translation editor.

I have the name Caracciolo in my history as well. It's spelt the same way except sometimes I've seen it with an "i" at the end and not an "o", never with two "r's".

Angela

[dmurphy1940]

Thanks, Angela!!!:)

[AngelaGrace56]

Thanks, Angela!!!:)

Always a pleasure, Dolores

I'm just going to quote the post about "Italian Surnames - Spelling Differences" in case someone else want's to chime in. Enjoy the rest of your day.

Angela

Salve Dolores!

Good question. I think that there is probably several reasons why the spelling of the names have changed over the years. I think the obvious one would be that because there was a lot of illiteracy, and people didn't know how to spell their own names, that often the clerk would write down phonetically what he was hearing.

Sometimes also the changes may have been dialectic or regional, and sometimes the changes may have been made with the aim to create a distinction between different family groups. (Possibly class distinction may have had something to do with this as well, not sure.) You might also notice in your records that a person's surname has become completely different (a nickname) or the nickname has been added to the surname.

(I've seen a couple, or so, of interesting name changes in my own records, which I initially found frustrating because I like everything to be perfect. I've kept really good notes setting out the steps that I have taken, records I have found etc to reach my conclusion. It's always helpful when you find a record that says “aka” on it.)

There is a book called “Our Italian Surnames” written by Joseph G Fucilla which I have on my shelf and use as a text book. You may have this in your local library and may find it interesting and helpful.

Someone else might want to chime in and add their experience and knowledge on the subject.

Angela

[dmurphy1940]