Rossetti Family: piecing together extended family tree (Marinellis from Corinaldo)

[Carlos Rossetti]

Ciao a tutti!
As so many fellow board members have done, I come asking for a helping hand in piecing together my family history.
I've only taken an interest in this recently, but some cousins of mine have been at it for a little over a decade with some moderate success.
My great grandfather emigrated from Italy through the port of Napoli, along with his siblings and father, and arrived on Santos, Brazil, in January of 1902, on the eleventh aboard the Sempione.
We don't know where in Italy he hailed from.
His father, Luigi Rossetti, was 53 years old* when he arrived, so I'm guessing he was born around 1848*
His name was Celestino Rosseti (later turned to Celeste), probably born in 1887
His brothers were Alessandro (1882) and Sabatino (1884) Rossetti and his sister Adele Rossetti (1891).
We don't know what of his mother. Magdalena Galletti's birth year is unknown, and it appears as if she never came to Brazil with the rest of the family — possibly having died on Italy still.


I have records of their journey from Napoli to Brazil, and from there it's been relatively easy to gather records and documents. I have their marriages and death certificates and so on.

As it happens, my great grandfather married another Italian woman, Stella Marinelli (born 1894) in Brazil in 1912, and eventually had my grandfather in 1924, the elder of three sons.

On the Marinelli side, things are much easier. My cousins worked out exactly where they hailed from, and used travel records from their ship (Genova-Santos) to find the train they took (Genova-Corinaldo) and, finally, to get my great grandmother's birth certificate as well as that of her two younger siblings. All of them born in Corinaldo to Sante di Gioachino Marinelli (born 1864) and Rosa Mantoni (1870).
We do have Stella Marinelli's Italian birth certificate, it's quite the beautiful yellowed piece of history.

*thats the age that appears on his arrival records on Brazil. However, Using the Ancestry app to organize my family tree it suggested me this document (https://www.familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XKCF-XQ2) that depicts a Luigi Rossetti nominally one year older than mine, born to Vicenzo Rossetti and Maria Domenica Dane-se in 1847 in Foggia, Foggia, Italy. It *may* be my great great grandfather, which would suggest maybe my great grandfather, Celestino, was born there as well.



This is all I know at the moment.
Perhaps you can help me? How do I go about confirming wether this Luigi Rossetti from Foggia is the one on my family? If he is, how do I go about finding out more about the birth of Celestino Rossetti?


Ps: I've been reading about legal challenges to the 1948 rule. Based on my situation, do you think it's something I should consider?
Thank you all for your time.

[Italysearcher]

Thereare tips on finding the town of origin in the 2013 archives on my website that might help.

[mmogno]

In the passenger list (p. 30/37 #195)
http://www.inci.org.br/acervodigital/up ... 000617.pdf
Luigi is a widower and the family comes from Perugia.

[Carlos Rossetti]

Thereare tips on finding the town of origin in the 2013 archives on my website that might help.

That sounds like a good resource!
I'll check it out later tonight, thanks!

[Carlos Rossetti]

In the passenger list (p. 30/37 #195)
http://www.inci.org.br/acervodigital/up ... 000617.pdf
Luigi is a widower and the family comes from Perugia.

Wow! That's, amazing, Mmogno! How do you find something like this?

I can see the names of his children are listed below his! Surely this is him! Awesome find

Are we *certain* that it's Perugia that's scribbled there? I'm not too good at reading this thing hahaha


EDIT: UPDATE REGARDING MARINELLI
I was mistaken. We do not have my great grandmother's birth certificate: we have those of her three youngest siblings, Umberto, Albina and Mariana Marinelli. We know her birth year but no more. Dang it.

[mmogno]

How do you find something like this?

http://www.inci.org.br/acervodigital/li ... ilia=00920
http://www.inci.org.br/acervodigital/pa ... =Pesquisar

Are we *certain* that it's Perugia that's scribbled there? I'm not too good at reading this thing hahaha

Yes, Tarano, until 1923, was in the province of Perugia.
http://www.elesh.it/storiacomuni/storia ... tat=057067

Maria, daughter of Luigi and Maddalena Galletti, married on December 16, 1901 in Tarano.
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 0.jpg.html
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

So she did not leave for Brazil with her parents.

[Carlos Rossetti]

How do you find something like this?

http://www.inci.org.br/acervodigital/li ... ilia=00920
http://www.inci.org.br/acervodigital/pa ... =Pesquisar

Are we *certain* that it's Perugia that's scribbled there? I'm not too good at reading this thing hahaha

Yes, Tarano, until 1923, was in the province of Perugia.
http://www.elesh.it/storiacomuni/storia ... tat=057067

Maria, daughter of Luigi and Maddalena Galletti, married on December 16, 1901 in Tarano.
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 0.jpg.html
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

So she did not leave for Brazil with her parents.

What a great resource! And in Portuguese, what fun! Thank you for pointing me in its direction: I've located my great grandmother (Stella)'s ship manifesto through it (http://www.inci.org.br/acervodigital/up ... 000621.pdf page 28, line 42). It doesn't tell me anything strictly new, but it's a delightful piece of history to have, for sure.


Regarding Maria, it definitely seems like she was my GGF's sister!
Unfortunately, I'm still a little out of my depth when trying to read this classic cursive. I can't spell out the Groom's name and surname. And I can't discern what ages he and Maria were.

Again, I must ask: how did you come across these documents?


Her being the elder sister to my Celestino and being born in Tarano certainly seems to lend credence to the theory that he was born there...
what should I do to confirm this? I only have his rough birth year and this (http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 1.jpg.html) document on the death certificate of his father (probably) to go on.
I really need some help reading these old Italian documents

I'll take the time tomorrow to build a timeline with all we have on the Rossettis and Marinellis

Thanks for the help you've been lending, Mmogno!

[mmogno]

Regarding Maria, it definitely seems like she was my GGF's sister!
Unfortunately, I'm still a little out of my depth when trying to read this classic cursive.
I can't spell out the Groom's name and surname. Romolo Lulli

And I can't discern what ages he and Maria were. 26 and 21

Again, I must ask: how did you come across these documents?

In
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... arch]=name
search
Maddalena Galletti
Maria Rossetti in Tarano

Her being the elder sister to my Celestino and being born in Tarano certainly seems to lend credence to the theory that he was born there...
what should I do to confirm this?

Celestino possibly was born in 1887.
Birth records in the years 1881-1900 should be visible in a family history center of Mormons.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/cat ... %20Library

Or ask the municipality for a complete copy of the birth record of Celestino Rossetti, born in Tarano in the years 1886-1889 to Luigi and Maddalena Galletti.
Comune di Tarano
Servizi demografici
Via Regina Margherita n.5
02040 , Tarano (RI)
Tel: 0765-607331
Fax: 0765-607099
anagrafe.tarano@libero.it

[mmogno]

Form for Maria Rossetti, Tarano