Please Help us read this 1873 Death Act #6 - Vincenza Puccio di Francisco

[molan]

Hi, please help us read a Death record from Geraci Siculo.

It is the 1873 Death Act #6 - Vincenza Puccio di Francisco.

I've attached a copy of the record.
Thanks
Gary

[AngelaGrace56]

Death No 6: Vincenza Puccio, daughter of deceased Francesco, and Gaetana Maggio
Geraci Siculo: 8 January 1876

It was reported that at 11 am today (8 January 1876) in the house in Rua Sant'Antonino, died of pneumonia? (anyways, something to do with matters of the lungs, I would say), Vincenza Puccio, 67 yo, domestic, born and residing Geraci Siculo, daughter of deceased Francesco Puccio, and of deceased Gaetana Maggio. She was the wife of Domenico Antista.

Just remember the spelling is Francesco.

Angela

[molan]

Thank you Angela ... your help is so very much appreciated ... this Puccio family is perplexing ... its not a big family in Geraci Siculo and Francesco may have been married multiple times
Thanks
Gary.

[AngelaGrace56]

Thought I would mention that there is another forum member who also has researched Geraci Siculo. Her name is Sue "Antista" which is a name that has shown up in your records, so far by marriage. You may want to contact her and see if she knows anything about the name Puccio. It may have come up in her records as well. You could maybe message her. Her stage name here on the forum is ItalianbellaSA. Or you could just search the forum here first if you prefer. Let me know how you get on.

Angela

[molan]

Thank you Angela .. we will indeed contact her
Gary

[AngelaGrace56]

Thank you Angela ... your help is so very much appreciated ... this Puccio family is perplexing ... its not a big family in Geraci Siculo and Francesco may have been married multiple times
Thanks
Gary.

Will have a look at the records that you have here so far for Francesco Puccio and wife/wives?

I believe the name of Francesco's wife on this thread here is Giuseppa Murgia not Mursia, so that will be one less wife!

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Thank you Angela ... your help is so very much appreciated ... this Puccio family is perplexing ... its not a big family in Geraci Siculo and Francesco may have been married multiple times
Thanks
Gary.

Will have a look at the records that you have here so far for Francesco Puccio and wife/wives?

I believe the name of Francesco's wife on this thread here is Giuseppa Murgia not Mursia, so that will be one less wife!

Angela

Sorry, I intended to post the thread and then had some visitors and forgot. Here's the thread that I've edited, mentioned in my previous post: https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/language/41549

I've had a quick look at the records you have posted on line thus far, which arn't too many, although I may have missed some? What I am seeing is that "a" Francesco Puccio was born circa 1772-1774. I'm understanding that his "possible first wife" was Gaetana Maggio, with whom they had at least one child, a daughter Vincenza, who was born circa 1809.

I then see that "a" Francesco Puccio is married to a Giuseppa Murgia (aka Maria Giuseppa Murgia?) with whom he has a daughter, Maria Puccio, in circa 1817, and then another daughter, Agata Puccio in circa 1819, and then a son Paolo, in 1829. Does that sound right?

It would be great if you were able to find a death record for Gaetana Maggio and then Francesco Puccio's marriage to Giuseppa Murgia. Hopefully it will have him noted as widower? It's quite possible that there was more than one Francesco Puccio, similar aged, living at the same time. Interesting that he went from Mule Drive to Landowner, within a short time.

Best to you.

Angela

[molan]

Hi Angela, thank you so much for your insight, it is greatly appreciated.

So far, only Maria Puccio, born circa 1817, Agata Puccio born circa 1819, and Paolo born 1829 seem to fit our Francesco Puccio married to Giuseppa Murgia (Mursia).

We have two other probable children, Anna Maria Puccio - Francesco Puccio & Giuseppa Murgia born in 1821 and Gaetano Puccio - Franecsco Puccio & Giuseppa Murgia, died in 1827. I need to get the correct Certificate for each.

Giuseppa Murgia clearly dies in Mar 1829 so we will get her Certificate.

Vincenza Puccio clearly doesn't fit so there has to be another Francesco Puccio in the 1820s.

Thanks again
Gary

[AngelaGrace56]

Hi Angela, thank you so much for your insight, it is greatly appreciated.

So far, only Maria Puccio, born circa 1817, Agata Puccio born circa 1819, and Paolo born 1829 seem to fit our Francesco Puccio married to Giuseppa Murgia (Mursia).

We have two other probable children, Anna Maria Puccio - Francesco Puccio & Giuseppa Murgia born in 1821 and Gaetano Puccio - Franecsco Puccio & Giuseppa Murgia, died in 1827. I need to get the correct Certificate for each.

Giuseppa Murgia clearly dies in Mar 1829 so we will get her Certificate.

Vincenza Puccio clearly doesn't fit so there has to be another Francesco Puccio in the 1820s.

Thanks again
Gary

How are you so sure about this? (I'm sure there probably were several Francesco Puccio's in the 1820's in the town.) Looking at the age difference between Francesco and Giuseppa Murgia (20 years - which, admittedly did happen a lot), I'm still wondering whether there may have been a first marriage to Gaetana Maggio, parents of Vincenza, and "possibly" then Gaetana died and Francesco married a much younger woman to help care for Vincenza. This happened a lot too. It's just a thought at this stage of course, you would need to find records to prove this theory, unless you have already found records that definitely show the contrary?

Edit to Add: If you are not sure, when you have time, you could look for Vincenza's marriage record to Domenico Antista, and see what it says, and what allegati it has with it. Just a suggestion.

Angela

[molan]

Hi Angela and thanks for your thoughts .. after reviewing all the relevant Puccio records I fully believe that Gaetana Maggio is the 1st wife who dies between 1810 & 1816 and Giuseppa Murgia is the 2nd wife. Giuseppa's 1st baby I found was born in 1817. Her last baby was born in 1829 when she dies.

I'll search the allegati to see what treasures they hold.

Thanks
Gary

[AngelaGrace56]

All the best with that. You might find it easier and quicker to search for the marriage record first. It hopefully will list the allegati that is included. Also the number of the Marriage Act will be the same same as the number on the Cover Sheet of the Allegati (providing there is a Cover Sheet - there isn't always). The allegati are often out of numerical order but you can usually see where each marriage starts and finishes, especially when there is a cover sheet.

Angela

[molan]

Thank you for the insight Angela ... Paula and I were at the FHC yesterday and last night ... lots of death and marriage records for most of the families and I even waded into the allegati. Took a bit to understand the layout but I found two groups for the same Iuppa/Murgia family. That will help a lot since Iuppa is very common in that town
Gary

[AngelaGrace56]

Fantastic! Sounds like you had better luck with those allegati than I did.

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Birth No 22: Anna Rosa Antista
Geraci Siculo: 13 February 1825

Francesca Chichi, 51 yo, midwife, living in the Rua del Salvadore, presented a (baby) girl and reported that the same was born today, (13 February 1825), from Vincenza Puccio, 18 yo, living in the Rua di Santo Antonio, and from Domenico Antista, 25 yo, Bestiamaro, living therein. The neonate was given the name Anna Rosa and was born in the house of the married couple.

Anna Rosa Puccio was baptised on 13 February 1825 in the parish of Geraci.

(Somehow I didn't save page 2 of the birth record? I saved the first page twice. I think there must have been a double of page 1, which happens sometimes, so that is possibly how this came about. I didn't notice until I got home. I won't be at the library for a few weeks now. Basically, page 2 should only include the names of the witnesses to the Act but will try and remember to save it next time I'm there.)

I think that possibly the reason why you have had better luck than me, with the Allegat,i is because you are looking at a completely different film, to the one I was looking at yesterday. That's got to be it.

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Marriage No 8: Domenico Antista and Vincenza Puccio
Geraci Siculo: 16 June 1823

Groom: Domenico Antista, 23 yo, born in Geraci, Bestiamaro (herdsman), living in Rua delle Balatella, son of Gaspare, 65 yo, Bestiamaro, living said place, and Anna Rosa Neglia, 54 yo, living therein

Bride: Vincenza Puccio, 16 yo, born Geraci, living in the Rua di Santo Giuliano, daughter of Francesco, 48 yo (1775), agricoltore, living in the said Rua di San Giuliano, and of Gaetana Maggio, deceased.

They were married on 16 June 1823 in the parish of Geraci.

The only allegati included, worth looking at, is the Birth Act of the Groom and Birth Act of the Bride. There is also the Notificazione (Notification – Bann) which sometimes does contain extra information pertaining to the respective parents, like their ages and occupations but these are actually included in this marriage record. Date of Gaetana's death would've been helpful.

I notice that Francesco is living Rua di San Giuliano - this comes up in some other records pertaining to Francesco Puccio, in records of a similar timeframe. So that could be another clue for you to pick up on. (I know that it has come up in other records pertaining to family as well.)

Angela