Fraschetti family

[DMLuther]

Can someone please translate this document for me?

https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/image/ ... eight=1332


Thank you
Diane

[AngelaGrace56]

This is a marriage publication certificate made on 26 November 1871:

Prospective Groom: Gio(vanni) Batista Mazzaccheri, profession Colono (Farmer), born in Montecatini, residing the same place, 26 year old, never married. He was the son of Giuseppe (Mazzaccheri), a Colono, residing in Montecatini, and of the deceased Luisa Del Rosso

Prospective Bride: Eduarda Fraschetti, colona (farmer), residing Montecatini, 16 yo, never married, daughter of the Hospital of the Innocent of Prato (Ospedale degli Innocenti di Prato) (so basically the abandoned children's hospital)

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Just to add some more information. If you take a look at the following link, you will find a cover sheet which contains the allegati (attachments) for this marriage. The Marriage that took place was No 54, and there were six attachments included as follows:

1. Certificate of Publication of Marriage (which is what has been translated here.)
2. Second Publication of Marriage (basically contains exactly the same information.)
3. First Publication of Marriage (same information)
4. Baptism Certificate of Eduarda Fraschetti
5. Consent for the Civil Marriage
6. Baptism Certificate of Francesco Gio Battista Mazzaccheri

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1493462


Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Baptism Certificate: Eduarda Fraschetti
On 2 January 1855 Eduarda of the Hospital of Prato, called Fraschetti, was baptised.
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Baptism Certificate: Francesco Gio Battista Mazzaccheri
Baptised 21 December 1845, Francesco Gio Battista Mazzaccheri, son of Giuseppe (Mazzaccheri) the son of Angiolo (Mazzaccheri); and son of Luisa del Rosso, the daughter of Silvestro (del Rosso), was born on 20 December 1845.
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Angela

[DMLuther]

Angela , thank you so much for the translation. Am I wrong to assume that the name of the bride was given to her by the hospital? Or did her parents give her this name and abandoned her at the hospital?I realize that you wouldn’t know in this particular matter, but as a matter of course would such a hospital name the children left there?
Thank you again,
Diane

[AngelaGrace56]

You are very welcome Diane.

What I understand is, that normally, when a child is left at a hospital or foundling home, that the baby is then taken to the Mayor of the town to be registered, and it is up to the Official (usually the Mayor) to name the child. Normally, he would give the child a surname that is not in any way associated with the town, and he basically also makes up a Christian name for the baby. (My thinking is that because no actual birth date seems to be recorded in the baptism certificate, that I can see, that when Eduarda was left at the hospital, she "may" have been a few days old already.) The baby then would've been taken to the Town Hall to be registered and promptly baptised at the local Cathedral.

It might be a good idea to write to the town of Prato and ask for the 1855 Birth Record, just to see what it says. Sometimes, if a mother wants to later reclaim her child, she might leave a little medal with the child, or an item of cloth, ribbon, letter or something else. This would be recorded in the Birth Record in case the mother later finds herself in a position to raise the child. Sadly, I doubt very much that this was the case in this situation though.

Maybe someone else will take a look through the allegati and see something that I'm missing. It seems to me that she remained a child of the Hospital but I'm not exactly sure what that means. (Possibly it was also an orphanage???)

Angela

[DMLuther]

Angela, again thank you for answering so promptly. I was sure that possibly she was named by an official because my great grandfather was also a foundling. The mayor or his delegate named him, so that is as far as we can go in tracing our roots. I tell my sister that when we get to heaven , all these relatives that we make assumptions about, will be wagging their finger at us and tell us the real story. Have a good week and thanks again.

Diane

[AngelaGrace56]

Angela, again thank you for answering so promptly. I was sure that possibly she was named by an official because my great grandfather was also a foundling. The mayor or his delegate named him, so that is as far as we can go in tracing our roots. I tell my sister that when we get to heaven , all these relatives that we make assumptions about, will be wagging their finger at us and tell us the real story. Have a good week and thanks again.

Diane

Very happy to help. You have a good week too, Diane.

Angela

[mmogno]

You are very welcome Diane.

What I understand is, that normally, when a child is left at a hospital or foundling home, that the baby is then taken to the Mayor of the town to be registered, and it is up to the Official (usually the Mayor) to name the child. Normally, he would give the child a surname that is not in any way associated with the town, and he basically also makes up a Christian name for the baby. (My thinking is that because no actual birth date seems to be recorded in the baptism certificate, that I can see, that when Eduarda was left at the hospital, she "may" have been a few days old already.) The baby then would've been taken to the Town Hall to be registered and promptly baptised at the local Cathedral.

It might be a good idea to write to the town of Prato and ask for the 1855 Birth Record, just to see what it says. Sometimes, if a mother wants to later reclaim her child, she might leave a little medal with the child, or an item of cloth, ribbon, letter or something else. This would be recorded in the Birth Record in case the mother later finds herself in a position to raise the child. Sadly, I doubt very much that this was the case in this situation though.

Maybe someone else will take a look through the allegati and see something that I'm missing. It seems to me that she remained a child of the Hospital but I'm not exactly sure what that means. (Possibly it was also an orphanage???)

Angela

@AngelaGrace56

Buonasera Angela.
I documenti dell'Ospedale di Prato sono conservati dall'Istituto degli Innocenti di Firenze.
G.

OSPEDALE DEGLI INNOCENTI DI FIRENZE (1218-1996)
ENTI AMMINISTRATI O CONTROLLATI (1421-1910)
OSPEDALI (1605-1910)
OSPEDALE DELLA MISERICORDIA E DOLCE DI PRATO (1855-1906)

Ruoli dei gettatelli (1855-1895)
Unità archivistica
10979 [10772] (s. 40, n. 22)
01/01/1855 - 09/03/1862
«Ruolo dei gettatelli dall'anno 1855 al 9 marzo 1862, E 3a dal n. 1 al n. 799»

Reg. leg. tela, pp. 799, docc. sciolti
Note di contenuto:
Relativo all'introduzione dei bambini nell'ospedale, vi compare la descrizione, il baliatico e notizie sulla sorte.


http://archivio.istitutodeglinnocenti.i ... %203/(990)
http://siusa.archivi.beniculturali.it/c ... =reg%2dtos

[AngelaGrace56]

Buongiorno G

Thank you for this information. What does the word "gettatelli" translate to in English?

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Obviously "Gettatelli" is another word for foundling. So it must come from the verb "gettare" meaning to throw, to throw away, throw out etc.

Angela

[mmogno]

Obviously "Gettatelli" is another word for foundling. So it must come from the verb "gettare" meaning to throw, to throw away, throw out etc.

Angela

@Angela
Sì, esattamente

Gettatelli
Il termine deriva dal latino iactatum e significa appunto gettato via. Con tale significato erano indicati anche i bambini abbandonati che, quasi contro natura, venivano gettati dai loro genitori alla pubblica assistenza.
https://www.idigrandeguerra.istitutodeg ... ow/132/511

Un modo molto inumano di indicare un bambino rifiutato dai genitori...

[AngelaGrace56]

Obviously "Gettatelli" is another word for foundling. So it must come from the verb "gettare" meaning to throw, to throw away, throw out etc.

Angela

@Angela
Sì, esattamente

Grazie. I knew the word "Getta" because it came up sometimes when I was growing up, but thought it was probably one of our dialect words. Then I eventually found the verb in the dictionary and worked it out. (I get a bit mixed sometimes between two dialects and pure Italian.)


Gettatelli
Il termine deriva dal latino iactatum e significa appunto gettato via. Con tale significato erano indicati anche i bambini abbandonati che, quasi contro natura, venivano gettati dai loro genitori alla pubblica assistenza.
https://www.idigrandeguerra.istitutodeg ... ow/132/511

Un modo molto inumano di indicare un bambino rifiutato dai genitori...

Absolutely. It's a horrible. If it had to be, I would much prefer Innocenti, which is who these precious children were.

Because I mainly translate Southern Records, I'd not seen "Gettatelli" before. Is the term used more in the Central and Northern records of Italia?

Angela

[mmogno]

Absolutely. It's a horrible. If it had to be, I would much prefer Innocenti, which is who these precious children were.

Because I mainly translate Southern Records, I'd not seen "Gettatelli" before. Is the term used more in the Central and Northern records of Italia?

Buonasera Angela
In Toscana, credo

[AngelaGrace56]

Absolutely. It's a horrible. If it had to be, I would much prefer Innocenti, which is who these precious children were.

Because I mainly translate Southern Records, I'd not seen "Gettatelli" before. Is the term used more in the Central and Northern records of Italia?

Buonasera Angela
In Toscana, credo

Buonasera G

Thank you for your reply. What a distasteful and callous label to have to wear for the rest of your life!

Angela