Araba, Nicola Arcangelo Raffaele marriage

[khoney]

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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1947686

Marriage 5 Nov 1896, Chiaromonte, Potenza, Basilicata, Italy of Araba, Nicola Arcangelo Raffaele, age 22, tailor, born and residing in Chiaromonte, son of Giovanni, resident of ? and Clavasa? Maria Giovanna to Palazzo, Lucia Francesca Raffaella, age 21 (incomplete), lady of the house, born and residing in Chiaromonte, daughter of Fedele and Magliola, Maria Giuseppina

The following is a link to the publication of marriage that may help with Maria Giovanna’s last name

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1947686

Thank you,

Karen

[AngelaGrace56]

Please review the attached.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1947686

Marriage 5 Nov 1896, Chiaromonte, Potenza, Basilicata, Italy of Araba, Nicola Arcangelo Raffaele, age 22, tailor, born and residing in Chiaromonte, son of Giovanni, resident of town not known (s'ignora) and Calvosa Maria Giovanna to Palazzo, Lucia Francesca Raffaella, age completed 20 yrs, lady of the house, born and residing in Chiaromonte, daughter of Fedele and Magliola, Maria Giuseppa

The following is a link to the publication of marriage that may help with Maria Giovanna’s last name

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1947686

Thank you,

Karen

Hi Karen, Angela

[liviomoreno]

Please review the attached.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1947686

Marriage 5 Nov 1896, Chiaromonte, Potenza, Basilicata, Italy of Arbia, Nicola Arcangelo Raffaele, age 22, tailor, born and residing in Chiaromonte, son of Giovanni, resident of town not known (s'ignora) and Calvosa Maria Giovanna to Palazzo, Lucia Francesca Raffaella, age completed 20 yrs, lady of the house, born and residing in Chiaromonte, daughter of Fedele and Magliola, Maria Giuseppa

The following is a link to the publication of marriage that may help with Maria Giovanna’s last name

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1947686

Thank you,

Karen

Hi Karen, Angela

From the request for Pubblicazioni dated Oct 18 1896 you also learn that:
Fedele Palazzo, a bricklayer, was 46 yo and Giovanni Arbia, a blacksmith, was 42yo

[khoney]

Angela and Livio,

Thank you for reviewing and correcting these records.

I find it interesting that Nicola does not know where is parents are residing. I did some further research and found them in Argentina. The 1895 National Census shows them living in San José with one son age 14 born in Italy and other children born in Argentina beginning in about 1886. Baptism records for other children show the mother as María Juana Calvoso so I am pretty sure I have the right couple.
Nicola was born in 1876 so would have been 10 years old at the most when his parents moved to Argentina. I wonder what happened.

Also interesting that Lucia’s age includes 20 “complete”. Why add “complete”? Both of her parents were alive and residing in the same town so could have given their consent to the marriage so I would think there should be another reason.

Thank you again,
Karen

[AngelaGrace56]

Angela and Livio,

Thank you for reviewing and correcting these records.

I find it interesting that Nicola does not know where is parents are residing. I did some further research and found them in Argentina. The 1895 National Census shows them living in San José with one son age 14 born in Italy and other children born in Argentina beginning in about 1886. Baptism records for other children show the mother as María Juana Calvoso so I am pretty sure I have the right couple.
Nicola was born in 1876 so would have been 10 years old at the most when his parents moved to Argentina. I wonder what happened.

Also interesting that Lucia’s age includes 20 “complete”. Why add “complete”? Both of her parents were alive and residing in the same town so could have given their consent to the marriage so I would think there should be another reason.

Thank you again,
Karen

Hi Karen

Basically "20 complete" on the marriage record just means that she had "celebrated" her 20th Birthday already. So she had completed 20 years.

If you look at the publication it says that she was "21 incomplete" so she hadn't yet turned 21 or completed 21 years. Also, just want to mention that it was her father that appeared to request the pubblications and at the bottom you will see that her mother was also present to give her consent.

Not sure about Nicola not knowing where his parents resided. Maybe they moved around a bit? Obviously needs further research.

Angela

[khoney]

Thank you for the clarification but now I am even more confused!

The publication, which comes before the marriage, it says that Lucia was "21 incomplete” yet the later marriage says "20 complete". I reviewed all of the birth records for 1876 but no record of Lucia in Part one or two. 1875 was not filmed so she may have been born in Chiaromonte in 1875 or elsewhere in 1876.

Nicola’s age is shown as 22 years however he was born on 10 July 1876 making him 20 years old at the time of publication (if I am reading it correctly) and 21 years old on the day of the marriage. I had thought that a copy of the birth record was required so have used the age recited when I could not find a copy of the actual record. Now I am not so certain.

Karen

[AngelaGrace56]

Sometimes there is clerical error in these records. Are you certain that you have the correct birth record for Nicola? Parent's match up etc? Are you able to post.

Yes it sounds like Lucia must have been born in 1875. Maybe you could request her birth record from the town.

Angela