Roselli & Spolidoro

[Kristin676]

Hello. I have been trying to find any information on my 5x great grandparents. They were Paolo Roselli and Giudatta Alberti and Giuseppe Spolidoro and Teresa Chioro. I have checked in Viggiano Potenza and also Saponara in Potenza. I am having trouble finding the marriage record of my 4x great grandparents Luigi Roselli and Mariantonia Spolidoro. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Kristin

[crctracing@gmail.com]

Hi Kristin

Have you any dates of birth

Thanks

C

[Kristin676]

Unfortunately no. I know that their children were born in the 1780's, but I have nothing on any of them.

[AngelaGrace56]

Hello. I have been trying to find any information on my 5x great grandparents. They were Paolo Roselli and Giuditta Alberti and Giuseppe Spolidoro and Teresa Chiaro. I have checked in Viggiano Potenza and also Saponara in Potenza. I am having trouble finding the marriage record of my 4x great grandparents Luigi Roselli and Mariantonia Spolidoro. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Kristin

Hi Kristin

Just so that we don't duplicate efforts, here are some notes I've jotted down intermittently over the last day or so, which may be of help. Hopefully it makes sense to you. I need to go out shortly so don't have time to edit it, or to find the actual records. Hopefully you will be able to locate the online records from the information I have provided here.

Luigi Roselli (c.1785-1863) m. Mariantonia Spolidoro (c.1789) – 1864 When? Where? - Possibily Saponara di Grumento 1815 – these records are missing online. Could also be Viggiano or other neighbouring town? Need to verify Mariantonia's place of birth to go back further – marriage usually takes place in Bride's town of birth. While the surname Spolidoro did exist in the town of Saponara in the early 1800s, it was not plentiful.

These are the names of the children that I have located, born to this couple, using marriage allegati and looking through the birth records to fill the gaps. (Sorry it's a bit rough.):

(From information you have given: Colomba Roselli, born c.1815? Where? Possibily Saponara di Grumento – 1815 records missing. Haven't found any info about her in Saponara. Was about to look for a death record there. What info do you have to say that she was born 1815?)

The following children were all born in Saponara di Grumento:

From: Marriage No 18: Francesco Maria Antonio Fortunato Roselli, 61 yo (born c.1818), Civile, married second wife Rachele Imperatrice, 15 November 1879

Birth No 20: Giuseppe, Saverio, Michele, Domenico, son of Luigi Roselli 30 yo, Civile, and Mariantonia Spolodoro 29 yo, born 15 March 1821,
Marriage No 14: Giuseppe married Maria Rosa Pecora, July 1843

Birth No 70: Domenico Nicola Maria Roselli, son of Luigi Roselli and Mariantonia Spolodoro, born 3 July 1824,
(Marriage No 13: Domenico Roselli married Maria Giuseppa Alberti, June 1850)
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

Birth No 18: Nicolamaria Roselli, son of Luigi Roselli, (son of Paolo Roselli), 43 yo, civile, and of Mariantonia Spolidoro, 33 yo, born 8 February 1828.
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0


(Not sure whether you have this: Death No 46: Luigi Roselli, 63 yo, Civile, died 3 June 1848, son of Paolo Roselli and Giuditta Alberti)


To prevent duplicated efforts, here is a related thread: https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/ ... li#p286218

Angela

[Kristin676]

Hi Angela,

Thank you. I actually didn't know that Luigi had all those kids. I do have Luigi and Mariantonia death records, but I am looking for their parents information and I can't seem to find it anywhere. I did recently find out the Columba was born in Viggiano and was able to find her birth record, but not marriage record for he parents.

I am stumped on finding the information any information on Luigi and Mariantonia parents. But thank you so much for the information on Columba's siblings. It really helps.

Kristin

[Kristin676]

Hi Angela,

Thank you. I actually didn't know that Luigi had all those kids. I do have Luigi and Mariantonia death records, but I am looking for their parents information and I can't seem to find it anywhere. I did recently find out the Columba was born in Viggiano and was able to find her birth record, but not marriage record for he parents.

I am stumped on finding the information any information on Luigi and Mariantonia parents. But thank you so much for the information on Columba's siblings. It really helps.

Kristin

[AngelaGrace56]

Hi Angela,

Thank you. I actually didn't know that Luigi had all those kids. I do have Luigi and Mariantonia death records, but I am looking for their parents information and I can't seem to find it anywhere. I did recently find out the Colomba was born in Viggiano and was able to find her birth record, but not marriage record for he parents.

I am stumped on finding the information any information on Luigi and Mariantonia parents. But thank you so much for the information on Columba's siblings. It really helps.

Kristin

Great that you have found Colombo's Birth Record. Can you please post her birth record. Thank you.

Yes I know that you are wanting information on the parents of Luigi and Mariantonia. Civil records only go back as far as 1809. The reason why I looked for their children's marriage records is because I was hoping that their marriage allegati (marriage attachments) would contain their grandparents death records etc, but the allegati that I have doesn't unfortunately.

Here's a brother of Luigi Roselli:

1812 Death No 33: Nicola Maria Roselli, 30 yo, Notaio (Notary), of deceased "Notar" Paolo Roselli and deceased Giuditta Alberti, husband of Maria Teresa di Cunto, died 20 June 1812, Saponara di Grumento
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

Angela

[Kristin676]

Hello Angela,

Here is Columba's birth record from Viggiano. Thank you for the help and for letting me know about Nicola. Again I appreciate all the help.


http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... =129984643

[AngelaGrace56]

Hello Angela,

Here is Columba's birth record from Viggiano. Thank you for the help and for letting me know about Nicola. Again I appreciate all the help.


http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... =129984643

Great, thanks for that. The following link works better because you can go on to the second page of the record which shows her name as Maria Colomba Roselli.

Birth of Maria Colomba Roselli: http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0


The great news is, that I have located Luigi Roselli and Maria Antonia Spolidoro's Marriage Record:

Marriage No 36: Luigi Roselli and Maria Antonia Spolidoro

Viggiano: 16 November 1810
Groom: Signore Don (title) Luigi Roselli, Gentiluomo, 25 yo, son of the deceased Don. Paolo Roselli, and Signora Giuditta Alberti, married couple, of the town of Saponara.

Bride: Signora Donna (title) Maria Antonia Spolidoro, Gentildonna, 20 yo, living this town of Viggiano, e nef Quartiere della Palle, daughter of the deceased D. Giuseppe Spolidoro, and of the deceased Sig. D. Colomba Rago. (so not Teresa Chiaro – obviously an error in Maria Antonia's death record? – *I had wondered about this)
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

Marriage Banns are here: http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... 5.jpg.html


*I'd wondered whether the mother's name was incorrect when I came across the following marriage for Maria Antonia's brother, in Saponara:

Marriage No 13: Paolo Spolidoro, 27yo, son of deceased Giuseppe Spolidoro and deceased Colomba Rago; and Maria Teresa di Cunto, 31 yo, daughter of Vincenzo di Cunto and Agnese Ramaglia
The added info from this marriage record is that Giuseppe Spolidoro died in Viggiano on 24 November 1805 and that Colomba Rago died in the town of Viggiano on 25 June 1797.
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0


Angela

[Kristin676]

Angela, you rock. I would never have found this on my own. Too bad it doesn't say anything about Giudatta Alberti and Paolo Roselli. I so wish they had the Processetti for Paolo's marriage. The information I could gain from it would be incredible. Thank you again. Maybe you can help me in tracking down my Tomasetta side. I am having trouble there too.

Thanks again. Kristin

[AngelaGrace56]

Angela, you rock. I would never have found this on my own. Too bad it doesn't say anything about Giudatta Alberti and Paolo Roselli. I so wish they had the Processetti for Paolo's marriage. The information I could gain from it would be incredible. Thank you again. Maybe you can help me in tracking down my Tomasetta side. I am having trouble there too.

Thanks again. Kristin

My pleasure, Kristin. I was so pleased that Luigi and Mariantonia's marriage record was there.

Allegati can be a real goldmine, but not always, and they can also contain errors, so be aware of that. Those early marriage records also often contain important pre-civil records information as well, so if you ever come across any that you are not sure of, do get them translated here on the forum.

Best to you.

Angela