Gidaro from Isca Sull Jonio

[mfjp]

...... Went back to Italy and married my great grandmother Catherina Procopio(b. 9/1892 d.4/1982) in 1921 and he came back to the US the same year, she came over in 1923. They had 4 children Anthony, Stephen, Marie, and Elizabeth and lived in Kulpmont, Pa. (Northumberland Co.)

Thanks, Lisa

Nuccia wrote...

Maria, for Caterina...it was her second trip to the US, right? She was already a citizen on this journey?

Nuccia

I'm not sure Nuccia... her manifest page says she is an American citizen...

Because she married an American citizen in Italy she is now viewed as an American citizen.... even tho this was her first trip to the US?

It looks like she started having a family in 1924 (a year + or -) after she arrived...

So ... I think this was her first trip....

But Lisa might be able to correct me here...

Maria

[jcsm400]

Hi Nuccia,

Unfortunate that his age is way off. Will leave for the Procopio information.

Here is another one.
Antinio Pasquale Gidaro, age 22 (abt. 1888)
POD:Naples
POA:NY
DOA: 3/10/1910
Ship:Europa
Last residence: Isca Vill Jonio
Going to Mt. Carmel

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nonna j

[jcsm400]

And one for Domenico Girado, age 32 (abt. 1889)


DOA:5/27/1921
POD:Naples
POA:NY
US Citizen
Address: 148-150 Ave., Mt Carmel

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[nuccia]

Possible manifest for Antonio Gidaro.

Antonio Gidaro Nicola
Line 12
age 21 (abt. 1893)
Arrived 5/1914
POA: Phila.
POD:Naples
Ship: Stampalia
Last Redisence: Gisard(S?)arallo?
Town of Birth Isca Jonio
Going to cousin Antonio Pettello(?) in Mt. Carmel, PA

Line 8 is Saverio Procopio, age 20, going to brother in Mt. Carmel...possible brother to Catherina???

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There is also a menifest for Concetta Nestico Gidaro, arrived Phila. 12/2/1923 on the ship "Columbo" going to husband Franseco Gidaro in Kulpmont, PA. Can link if poster wants it.

jscm

Nonna J,

The nice find was the wife's name! As for the manifest, I really didn't notice it ..but I think the second one is better...my internet kept going down so Maria had to post my links for me..I couldn't view images!

Hopefully its back up now! Oh well, still cleaning!

Nuccia

[mfjp]

Hi Nuccia,

Unfortunate that his age is way off. Will leave for the Procopio information.

Here is another one.
Antinio Pasquale Gidaro, age 22 (abt. 1888)
POD:Naples
POA:NY
DOA: 3/10/1910
Ship:Europa
Last residence: Isca Vill Jonio
Going to Mt. Carmel

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nonna j

Hi jcsm...

Thanks for linking these pages... I can't read them... eyes are too small..

and they are both page 2...

not sure I see a page 1...

If you want I can relink them for you..

Do you think that this Antonio could be a brother to Dominic?

Maria

[mfjp]

Hi jcsm... relinked the manifests from your earlier post.

Ellis Island links

First Name: Antonio Pasquale (wife is Teresa Stillo)
Last Name: Gidaro
Ethnicity: Italy South
Last Place of Residence: Isca Vill Jonio, Italy
Date of Arrival: Mar 10, 1910
Age at Arrival: 22y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Europa
Port of Departure: Napoli
Manifest Line Number: 0027

First Name: Antonio (wife is Caterina Procopio)
Last Name: Procopio
Ethnicity: Italy South
Last Place of Residence: Isca Vill Jonio, Italy
Date of Arrival: Mar 10, 1910
Age at Arrival: 41y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Europa
Port of Departure: Napoli
Manifest Line Number: 0029

First Name: Pasquale Cosnio (Cosimo...) father is Vincenzo
Last Name: Gidaro
Ethnicity: Italy South
Last Place of Residence: Isca Vill Jonio, Italy
Date of Arrival: Mar 10, 1910
Age at Arrival: 17y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Europa
Port of Departure: Napoli
Manifest Line Number: 0030


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Maria

[Gidget6880]

WOW!! I didn't expect to have so many messages so soon! Thank you everyone! I am going to try to write everyone back so it might be a few messages.

NUCCIA: Thanks! You were right on with Dominico's WW2 draft card, nad Anthony and Catherines SSDI. I already wrote to SSA and got her SS5 form and it showed that her parents were Andrea Procopio and Elisabeth Pitello. I know that there were other Gidaro's in Kulpmont and Northumberland CO. but I am not quite sure how I am related to them yet. I know that there is a Gidaro's pizzeria and it is pretty close to my grandfathers home. So i think that they are relatives of Frank and Connie. But I'm not quite sure. My Dad has to call his Aunt to get more info about what she might know. Thanks again for your help! I really appreciate it

MARIA: Thanks to you too! I did find that ship manifest on the Ellis Island site but I had no clue what it said. Thank goodness for your expert eyes! I do think that Francesco is probably Dominico's brother because he seems to live not far from him. In the 1930 Census they lived only a few doors down. My great grandparent lived in 555, which I believe was changed to 722 Chestnut later on. The mother I am not really sure about(Barbera) but hopefully my Dad's aunt will remember if that is correct or not. I am also not sure about Caterina Procopio's ship manifest because even though she did come over in 1923 I don't know why she would put her last name as Procopio if she was married to a Gidaro. But maybe she is related to my great grandmother by marriage unless the info is correct. I'm not sure about the other Gidaros that you mentioned. I feel like I'm about to start unravelling this huge extended family puzzle, but I have no clue how it is all going to peice together yet . Thank you for all your help. It has really given me some leads as to what questions to ask my Dad's aunt when he get's in touch with her.

I think that someone had said something about my great grandmother's name being Maria. ( I might have just imagined it) Her complete name is Maria Caterina Nunziata Procopio/Gidaro. I have no clue why she has so many names!

Thanks again to all,
Lisa

Ps More thanks and replies to come

[jcsm400]

Thanks Maria for relinking....Don't know if I was sleeping when doing it or what! jcsm

[Gidget6880]

Okay here I go again.
JSCM: Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!! I know that Dominic's 1921 manifest is correct because that is when he came back from marrying Catherine. I think that Antonio Pasquale Gidaro might be one of my great grandfather's brothers. Since my grandfather's name was Anthony maye it was a family name. But I have no clue how many brother's my great grandfather had all I know is that there were only two brothers in the picture we found at my grandmother's house. I'm not quite sure if Nicola is a last name to Antonio Gidaro Nicola? But if it is he might be related to my great grandmother since he was coming to live with a petello and my great great grandmother on Caterina Procopio's side maiden name was Pitello. Otherwise I am not sure how he might be related but my Dad is going to call his aunt to see if she knows any of this info. Thanks again!!

Riccardo: Thank you for the information on how to get records on Isca Sullo Ionio. Have you had any experience in writing to get info from them? I was just wondering how accurate they are or if it would take months for a reply from them? Thanks again for the info!

Thanks everyone again for your replies. I am still in awe that I got such a response! If I forgot to thank someone. I will go through the posts again and you are sure to get a thank you soon.

Lisa

[jcsm400]

Hi Lisa,

You're welcome, glad to help out.
My suggestion would be to order the LDS films. Riccardo give you the information for them.

Happy hunting & let us know if you need anything else.

jscm

[ricbru]

Riccardo: Thank you for the information on how to get records on Isca Sullo Ionio. Have you had any experience in writing to get info from them? I was just wondering how accurate they are or if it would take months for a reply from them? Thanks again for the info!

Lisa

Hello Lisa,
You ask me how long it takes to have records from civil record office.
I wrote requests many times, and even if the law says 30-60 days, the office may take more time for many reasons (not enuough people working in that office, or you don't give enough detailed informations, or the request is written not in italian - in this case they don't answer because they don't undestand another language, or you don't give envelope + international reply coupon to receive the answer (some civil record office don't want to spend money to send the answer back to who requests civil records), or you are not specific in what you are looking for)
But if you are specific, write in italian, ask them what you need, and put envelope + international reply coupon for answer, then you can get what you need.
I hope it helps, bye Riccardo

[wldspirit]

[I am also not sure about Caterina Procopio's ship manifest because even though she did come over in 1923 I don't know why she would put her last name as Procopio if she was married to a Gidaro.]


In Italy, women do not lose their maiden name as here in the US, so the ship manifest would list her with maiden name.......once in America she would have adopted our custom of taking your husbands surname.
wldspirit

[mfjp]

[I am also not sure about Caterina Procopio's ship manifest because even though she did come over in 1923 I don't know why she would put her last name as Procopio if she was married to a Gidaro.]


In Italy, women do not lose their maiden name as here in the US, so the ship manifest would list her with maiden name.......once in America she would have adopted our custom of taking your husbands surname.
wldspirit

I agree with you too wldspirit....

But what if she married an American citizen in Italy?? .... would she still still carry her maiden name Procopio?? hmmm

Well... technically... she was still in Italy... and that's probably why she still had her maiden name...

This is an odd manifest...

Maria

[mfjp]

Caterina 1923 ship record

First Name: Caterina
Last Name: Procopio
Ethnicity: X
Last Place of Residence: Kulpmont, Pa.
Date of Arrival: Sep 19, 1923
Age at Arrival: 30y Gender: F Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Giulio Cesare
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0003

Maria

Relinking it here.... just don't want to go back to page 1...

Is the time frame correct....

Is the town of origin correct...

Is her intended destination correct..." 614 Chestnut Street, Kulpmont, PA"

Year of birth correct?

See section of manifest where it says... If naturalized... give name, location... etc..

What words do you see in that colomn?? To me .. it might say Roma..??. with some #'s 3793 or close... not sure...

Maria

[Gidget6880]

Hi again. Thanks Riccardo for the extra info at least I know that writing to them would be a good option and not a dead end. Thanks to wldspirit also. I didn't know that women in Italy kept their maiden name. Ill have to look at that record again, but that will really help me later on to know so thank you!
Does anyone know if you can write vital records to search for a death certificate if you know the birth and name but don't know when they died? Or do you just have to visit the county and look through thier records?

Lisa