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Hi,

I've been chasing a ancestor for a while now and have finally found his marriage record. Can someone please assist with his birth location, I'm pretty sure he is from the district of Caltagirone but not sure on the town. I'm trying to find his grand parents name so I can add him to my tree.

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https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 82/wRzJlA3
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Hi

I'd say Raddusa.

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Thanks Angela,

Found the Birth record with your help.

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 38/LqJpyXK
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:D Fantastic!!! That was quick.

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I'm good at finding things but not so good with translations.
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We all have our shortfalls :)

The following might help. I'm finding the script quite tricky so may need some tweaking.

Birth Record No 4: Filippo Luigi Casabene
Registered 23 March 1823

Appearing was Lucia Cuchiara, 55 yo, allevatrice, living in Raddusa, who presented a baby who was born from Donna Edvigia Oliveri, 24 yo, living in Raddusa and from Don Gaetano Casabene, 34 yo, Dottore? living therein. The baby was born the same day in their own home and given the name of Filippo Luigi. He was baptised the same day in the parish of S. Maria.


In case you did know, the titles of “Don” (Lord) and Donna (Lady), while sometimes indicating noble birth, were often given to people of high social standing within a town – be it because of wealth, education, or political position etc. (People such as property owners, priests, "doctors", lawyers etc).

A correction: Gaetano Casabene was a Painter not a doctor. It's clearer in the marriage record.

One more thing, I'd say the occupation "Alevatrice" in the context of these birth records translates to "midwife".

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Thanks Angela, much appreciated. I hit a brick wall again with this. I've been chasing this for 5 years. As a consolation I did find a painting of Filippo's wife by sebastiano Guzzone. but nothing on his parents.


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AngelaGrace56 wrote: 05 Feb 2025, 06:21 ...
Appearing was Lucia Cuchiara, 55 yo, allevatrice, living in Raddusa, who presented a baby who was born from Donna Edivigia Oliveri, 24 yo, living in Raddusa and from Don Gaetano Casabene, 34 yo, Dottore? living therein. The baby was born the same day in their own home and given the name of Filippo Luigi. He was baptised the same day in the parish of S. Maria.
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I need Gaetano's parents so I can confirm who I need to add him to in my tree,
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Caesar74 wrote: 05 Feb 2025, 12:59 Thanks Angela, much appreciated. I hit a brick wall again with this. I've been chasing this for 5 years. As a consolation I did find a painting of Filippo's wife by sebastiano Guzzone. but nothing on his parents.



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Thanks for sharing the portrait. It's so good. Fantastic you have this.

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mmogno wrote: 05 Feb 2025, 13:24
AngelaGrace56 wrote: 05 Feb 2025, 06:21 ...
Appearing was Lucia Cuchiara, 55 yo, allevatrice, living in Raddusa, who presented a baby who was born from Donna Edivigia Oliveri, 24 yo, living in Raddusa and from Don Gaetano Casabene, 34 yo, Painter living therein. The baby was born the same day in their own home and given the name of Filippo Luigi. He was baptised the same day in the parish of S. Maria.
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Thanks for the correction, G.

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Caesar74 wrote: 05 Feb 2025, 13:33 I need Gaetano's parents so I can confirm who I need to add him to in my tree,

Here’s a “hint” from Family Search but you will need to locate civil records to back up the information. It states Don Gaetano Casabene, born circa 1790 in “Grammichele”, Catania. It gives his wife Edivigia Olivieri born c.1799. (Those dates seem to stack up.) His parents are Don Aloisio Mariano Giovanni Casabene (1754-1817), and Donna Speranza di Pietro (1763-1803).
https://www.familysearch.org/en/search/ ... e=Casabene


Their tree gives two children born to Gaetano and Edivigia: Antonina Casabene 1819 and Don Filippo Luigi Casabene born 1823 (as we know already), and he died in 1879. (You could search for Antonina’s birth record.)

It lists five syblings pertaining to Gaetano: Don Croce Casabene (1789-1832), Michelangelo Epifanio (1792), Angela Maria (1795), Francesco Domenico Rosario (1798-1801, Rosa ?-1801.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/GM83-6SM

However, I do see a note to say that the father Don Aloisio Mariano Giovanni Casabene is yet to be confirmed?

Locating Gaetano and Edivigia’s marriage record would help to confirm the correct info. Unfortunately the marriages in the town of Grammichele, if that was where they were married, currently only go back to 1841. The other option would be to look for the respective death records pertaining to Gaetano and Edivigia in Raddusa which would show the names of their parents.

As I know how good you are at finding things, I'll leave you to followup but do let us know if you need help.

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Thanks again Angela. that is my tree. I was the one that added Don Aloisio as the Father as I'm pretty sure he is but would love a paper trail.... I'll keep hunting.

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I decided to look for Filippo's 1879 Death Record but didn't locate it there. However, I did locate the following which will take you back a little further and help confirm things for you:

1874 Death No 7 Edivigia Oliveri
Recorded Raddusa on 2? March 1874

Died Raddusa 2 March 1874, 3 pm in her own home in Strada Piazza, no number. She was 74 yo, daughter of the deceased Angelo and of the deceased Maria Tuttobene?, the widow of the deceased Gaetano Casabene. She was a Cucitrice born in Valguarnera? (Enna)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... =en&i=1193

The translation may need some tweaking as the script is challenging in places.

I checked the Death Records 1862-1874 but didn’t see a record for Gaetano so he must have died prior to 1862.

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Thanks, I have Filippo's death record, I'll attach it here just in case there is something that I missed. I'm pretty sure Gaetano was born in Liocodia but there are no records online. I'll have a look through the Enna records and see if I can find a marriage record for Gaetano.

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 95/0AKBVez


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