Merani family from Genoa (Genova)

[vj]

Margaret Merani b abt 1883

For reference:
Possible ship manifests

1909 page 1
page 2

15 Nov 1909 SS Celtic, Liverpool to NY
Line 14
Margaret Merani 26 (abt 1883)
- single
- book sewer
- nationality/country England
- race or people Italian
- last residence Liverpool, England (lifetime)
- in Liverpool, father Jackamo Merani at 18 Conway Street
- destination Saratoga Springs, NY
- joining cousin Eleanor Winter PO Box 111, RFD 3
- born in Liverpool
---

1919 page 1
page 2

27 Oct 1919, SS Orduna, Liverpool to NY
Line 15
Margaret Merani 36 (abt 1883)
- non-immigrant alien (not naturalized citizen)
- single
- domestic
- last residence New York
- in Liverpool, mother Mrs Merani at 18 Conway Street
- in NY 1909-Aug 1919
- joining friend, Mrs Hale at 220 East 52 St (Manhattan) New York
- born in Liverpool, England

edited to add detail

[vj]

Hi Sara

vj asked earlier if your family was from the town of Genoa or the province of Genoa.
Do you happen to know which?
LDS has church and civil records covering 1791 to 1927 if it's the town of Genoa.

Post back and let vj know.

Regards,
Elizabeth

Hey Elizabeth !
You're right!
The comune in Genoa is the big question.
The only records (so far) are the British census.
They're pretty consistent in indicating both Genoa and that
Giacomo's occupation was as a seaman.
We're hoping that the record(s) that Sarah sends away for
may have the exact location in Genoa.
I'm not sure where else to look.

This is a pretty long post...
While Sarah waits for her records, I was headed back
into the British records to see if we can find any information
on the Winter & Merani siblings.
It would be nice if we could find another Merani joining
Margaret in the US, maybe for a visit?
You never know!

Valarie

[BillieDeKid]

Hi vj

I've searched the census info for Winter in Saratoga Springs and haven't come up with the right one yet. I'll keep searching.

Elizabeth

[pink67]

Hi All!!

from Familysearch.org:

Isabella Merani
Event(s):
Birth: 11 FEB 1879

Christening: 02 MAR 1879 St Matthews, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Parents:
Father: John Merani
Mother: Mary Merani


Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C012229 Film


Margaret Merani
Event(s):
Birth: 04 APR 1883

Christening: 06 MAY 1883 St Matthews, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Parents:
Father: John Merani Family
Mother: Mary

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C020888

Mary Merani
Event(s):
Birth: 06 JAN 1874

Christening: 01 FEB 1874 St Matthews, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Parents:
Father: John Merani Family
Mother: Mary Merani

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C012229

Perhaps on these Baptism Certificate Sarah can find the exact birth place of John Merani, however, Merani is a common last name here in Liguria, especially in the east area of the Region, in the La Spezia Province...

Laura

[vj]

Hi vj

I've searched the census info for Winter in Saratoga Springs and haven't come up with the right one yet. I'll keep searching.

Elizabeth

Hey Elizabeth!
That would be great .
It may solve the question of which Winter she was related to!
Valarie

[vj]

Hey Laura !
Those are terrific records!
I hope you're right, it would be wonderful if
they had the town on them.
Do you suppose it would be possible for Sarah
to write directly to the church, or are they on
LDS microfilm?
Valarie

[vj]

Neat 1901 census
Merani & Winter
(I’ll also add it in sequence on pg 1 of the post)

1901 census
Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Polycarp
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 119

Household members:
24 Conway Street

Head Giacomo Morani (Merani) 66 (abt 1835) Genoa
- mariner, seas
- foreign subject
Wife Mary Morani 56 (abt 1845) Liverpool
Son John Morani 24 (abt 1877) Liverpool
- brass finisher
Daughter Margaret Morani 17 (abt 1884) Liverpool
- book sewer binder

Boarders
These are probably Mary (Winter) Merani's brother Josiah's children
(see 1891 & 1881 census next post):
Joseph Winter 20 (abt 1881) Liverpool
Isabella Winter 18 (abt 1883) Liverpool
Thomas Winter 13 (abt 1888) Liverpool

edit to add connection of Winter boarders

[vj]

Mary Winter Merani's brother:
Josiah Winter

1891 census

Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Dale Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 14

Household members:
43 Marybone
(note 1851-1871 census Winter family lived at 31-33 Marybone)
Public House

Head Josiah Winser (Winter) 39 (abt 1852) Liverpool
- manager public house
Wife Alice M 39 (abt 1852) Warrington
Children born in Liverpool
Daughter Elizabeth 13 (abt 1878)
Son Josiah 10 (abt 1881)
Daughter Isabella 8 (abt 1883)
Son Thomas 3 (abt 1888)

---
1881 census

Civil Parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 28

Household members:
Street address:
142 Myrtle Street & 244 Crown St
Public House

Head Josiah Winter 29 (abt 1852) Liverpool Lancashire
- innkeeper, publican manager
Wife Alice M. Winter 29 (abt 1852) Warrington Lancashire
Daughter Edith M. Winter 3 (abt 1878) Liverpool Lancashire
Son Josiah Winter 2 mos (abt 1881) Liverpool Lancashire
Servant Elizabeth Kenwright 13 (abt 1868) Liverpool Lancashire
---

Summary
Josiah's family:

Josiah WINTER
b: Abt. 1851 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Wife Alice M UNKNOWN
b: Abt. 1852 in Warrington, Lancashire, England

Children of Josiah & Alice M

Elizabeth (Edith?) WINTER
b: Abt. 1878 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Josiah (Joseph?) WINTER
b: Abt. 1881 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Isabella WINTER
b: Abt. 1883 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Thomas WINTER
b: Abt. 1888 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

[vj]

Hi vj

I've searched the census info for Winter in Saratoga Springs and haven't come up with the right one yet. I'll keep searching.

Elizabeth

Could be Eleanor Winter, cousin to Margaret Melani
(from Margaret's 1909 manifest)
This may be her manifest, headed to Saratoga in Oct 1909.

1909 manifest
page 2
11 Oct 1909 SS Arabic, Liverpool to NY
Line 27
Ellen Winter 29 (abt 1880)
- single
- domestic
- last residence Liverpool
- in Liverpool, father John Winter 3 (13?) Everton View, Prince Edward Lane
- joining brother-in-law Willie Elwood Fletcher? At Blumfield Farm
- born in Liverpool, England

Note: I’ll look for John Winter’s family on British census records

[veeeyepee]

Woah! I just read all these posts! thank you soo soo much!
i'll keep reading and add this stuff to my family tree.
And I'll ring my Grandma now. Thank you so much everyone!

It's starting to piece together. God you are all well too clever. I am so grateful. & I hope this marriage certificate tells me where he came from. It's apparently going to arrive on MOnday next week. Can't wait!

Sarah

[vj]

Mary Winter Merani’s brother John Winter
(John may have been married twice)

Note: John's daughter Ellen Winter may have been the cousin
that Margaret Merani was joining in Saratoga in 1909.
---
edit: added 1891
Father John Winters in the Liverpool Workhouse
(may have been temporary if his wife died - a way of making
sure his children were cared for)

1891 census

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Columb
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: Liverpool Workhouse

John Winter Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Liverpool, Lancashire
- printer

3 of John’s daughters in 1891 at Liverpool Industrial School?
Ellen & Catharine emigrated later to Saratoga County NY?

1891 census: Ellen’s page

Civil Parish: Kirkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Kirkdale
ED, institution, or vessel: Liverpool Industrial School

Ann (Hannah?) Winters Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Liverpool, Lancashire
Ellen Winter Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883 Everton, Lancashire
Catharine Winter Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Liverpool, Lancashire

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edit: fixed 1881 census link
1881 census
Civil Parish: Everton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 71

Household Members:
Street address: 21 Dido Street
Head John Winter 33 (abt 1848) Liverpool
- L? press printer
Wife Kate Winter 34 (abt 1847) Liverpool
Daughter Isabella Winter 10 (abt 1871) Liverpool
Daughter Alice Winter 9 (abt 1872) Liverpool
Daughter Ada Winter 4 (abt 1877) Liverpool
Daughter Hannah Winter 2 (abt 1879) Liverpool
Daughter Ellen Winter 8 mos (abt 1881) Liverpool
---

1871 census
Civil Parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 169

Household members:
26 LWood?
Head John Winter 23 (abt 1848) Liverpool
- printer
Wife Ellen Winter 21 (abt 1850) Liverpool
Daughter Isabella Winter 9 months (abt 1870) Liverpool
---


John Winter’s Family
This is guesswork based on only 3 census

John WINTER
b: Abt. 1848 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

1st Wife? Ellen UNKNOWN
b: Abt. 1850 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Children of John & Ellen?

Isabella WINTER
b: Abt. 1870 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Alice WINTER
b: Abt. 1872 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

2nd Wife? Kate UNKNOWN
b: Abt. 1847 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Children of John & Kate?

Ada WINTER
b: Abt. 1877 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Hannah WINTER
b: Abt. 1879 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Ellen WINTER
b: Abt. 1881 in Liverpool or Everton, Lancashire, England

Catharine Winter
b: abt 1887 in Liverpool, Lancashire, Englad

[vj]

Woah! I just read all these posts! thank you soo soo much!
i'll keep reading and add this stuff to my family tree.
And I'll ring my Grandma now. Thank you so much everyone!
It's starting to piece together. God you are all well too clever.
I am so grateful. & I hope this marriage certificate tells me where
he came from.
It's apparently going to arrive on Monday next week. Can't wait!
Sarah

Hey Sarah !
Enjoy!
We had fun putting some of your pieces together.
No doubt you can find some of these folks birth, marriage, death
records in the free British Indexes (on pg 1 of your post)
There is a possibility that Ellen Winters was joining a sister
and her sister's husband in Saratoga in 1909.
It may be a manifest worth looking for.
(in case you haven't used it, easy one-step Ellis Island Search)
We hope you and your grandma can make some sense of all
of this !
Valarie & Elizabeth & Laura

[BillieDeKid]

Census for Ellen Winter.

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[veeeyepee]

Mary Winter Merani’s brother John Winter
(John may have been married twice)

Note: John's daughter Ellen Winter may have been the cousin
that Margaret Merani was joining in Saratoga in 1909.

1881 census
Civil Parish: Everton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 71

Household Members:
Street address: 21 Dido Street
Head John Winter 33 (abt 1848) Liverpool
- L? press printer
Wife Kate Winter 34 (abt 1847) Liverpool
Daughter Isabella Winter 10 (abt 1871) Liverpool
Daughter Alice Winter 9 (abt 1872) Liverpool
Daughter Ada Winter 4 (abt 1877) Liverpool
Daughter Hannah Winter 2 (abt 1879) Liverpool
Daughter Ellen Winter 8 mos (abt 1881) Liverpool
---

1871 census
Civil Parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 169

Household members:
26 LWood?
Head John Winter 23 (abt 1848) Liverpool
- printer
Wife Ellen Winter 21 (abt 1850) Liverpool
Daughter Isabella Winter 9 months (abt 1870) Liverpool
---

John Winter’s Family
This is guesswork based on only 2 census

John WINTER
b: Abt. 1848 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

1st Wife? Ellen UNKNOWN
b: Abt. 1850 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Children of John & Ellen?

Isabella WINTER
b: Abt. 1870 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Alice WINTER
b: Abt. 1872 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

2nd Wife? Kate UNKNOWN
b: Abt. 1847 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Children of John & Kate?

Ada WINTER
b: Abt. 1877 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Hannah WINTER
b: Abt. 1879 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Ellen WINTER
b: Abt. 1881 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

I can't find john winter's family on the 1881 census. Is it the right one?
Sarah

[vj]

I can't find john winter's family on the 1881 census. Is it the right one?

yikes!
No it wasn't, I had turned the page to check the spelling
of the street address and linked the wrong page.
It's fixed now.
Thanks!
Valarie