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Qliner wrote:That is a great idea! I am wondering what other kinds of documentation issues people were faced with?
There were many in my family.
Try to get as much information as possible added to the certificate. If it lists your mother's age, try to have her birthdate added. That will help the judges determine that the person listed is definitely your mother. The name may not be a problem if the judge can see that her birthdate, place of birth, husband, are the same.
If your mother has passed away, her death certificate may also be of use. Sometimes death certificates list a woman's maiden name, her husband's name, and the names of her parents.
Congratualtions with your case. I am still waiting for my first hearing, so I can't say much about the court deposit. But there is a 7 and a half month appeal period that has to pass before the decision becomes final and official. That is from the day of your first hearing, I believe.
Before you look for your case you need to change the three drop down boxes to:
Regione: Lazio
Uffici giudiziari: Tribunale Ordinario - Roma
Registro: Contenzioso Civile
After those are selected, you can press "Consulta" to refresh the bottom where you will search for your case.
I find the first option "Ruolo Generale" the easiest to search. You should have your case number from Luigi where you can put it in here along with the year. If you have any questions, let us know and we can help further.
So I just went to the website and found what I believe is my court case and it says:
"State of issue: WAITING STORAGE MEASURES" and then it says under "List of the lines of historical", " 06/09/2015 - IN DECISION WITH CANCELLATION TERMS FOR Concluding."
I used google translate for this so I'm sure its not perfect. I assume (and hope) that last line just means that its processing. Of course I'm not comfortable with the word "CANCELLATION TERMS" in there but Luigi said the session went very well. Anyway, any comments or advise on what is stated above is very welcome.
Thank You,
Robert
My first guess is it has something to do with the final comments of the case before they make a decision. It's difficult to say without the actual Italian words, so if you can post those then we may be able to help a bit more.
So I just went to the website and found what I believe is my court case and it says:
"State of issue: WAITING STORAGE MEASURES" and then it says under "List of the lines of historical", " 06/09/2015 - IN DECISION WITH CANCELLATION TERMS FOR Concluding."
I used google translate for this so I'm sure its not perfect. I assume (and hope) that last line just means that its processing. Of course I'm not comfortable with the word "CANCELLATION TERMS" in there but Luigi said the session went very well. Anyway, any comments or advise on what is stated above is very welcome.
Thank You,
Robert
I think it would have been "IN DECISIONE CON RINUNCIA TERMINI PER CONCLUSIONALI"
It means that the Judge has agreed to make a decision and that no additional trials will be necessary. Probably because the other party (Ministero dell'Interno - the government) didn't put forward any arguments or didn't send a representative to the trial.
My relatives' trial proceeded as follows:
- IN DECISIONE CON RINUNCIA TERMINI PER CONCLUSIONALI
two weeks later - DEPOSITO MINUTA SENTENZA DEFINITIVA - minutes of the case. This is a record of the arguments which were made at trial.
another month - DEPOSITO SENTENZA - PUBBLICAZIONE - sentence issued and published. From this date, the government has six months to indicate if they wish to appeal.
Thank you all for the responses. The wording was as DRuss stated. So my question then is, during that six months can you do anything regarding life events (for my kids, marriage, etc ) at your local consulate? Or Do I have to wait for the appeals period to be over to start that other paperwork?
rcblair777 wrote:Thank you all for the responses. The wording was as DRuss stated. So my question then is, during that six months can you do anything regarding life events (for my kids, marriage, etc ) at your local consulate? Or Do I have to wait for the appeals period to be over to start that other paperwork?
Thank you,
Robert
There is nothing you can do during that six months. The judgment is not legally binding until the appeals period expires.
At the end of the six months, Avv. Paiano will request a certified copy of the judgment and send it together with the certificates to your Comune. The Comune will then send Italian birth and marriage certificates back to Avv. Paiano's office, and he will send them to you.
You cannot do anything until you have the certificates in your hand.
Robert, that's excellent news for you that the judge was able to make a decision quickly! Congrats!
I fear ours will be dragged out with so many issues with our mother's name. Two of use were able to get our birth certs fully updated, three others will only get partial updates (her Italian name added as a middle name) so it doesn't fully match her birth certificate.
@ Druss thanks for the info, I just realized you wrote it and needed to refresh. For our trail I have certain documents that confuse matters. Our mother, who really was saintly, changed her name and birth date as suited her at the time on any given form. We never realized this until we needed to create this trail. So, I have pieced together a set of documents that includes her grade school records, our birth certificates, a certain version of her marriage certificate. The problem is she signed all our birth certs with her american name. When Luigi present her birth certificate from Italy, it had a name we had never seen or heard of on it. We think she may not even have known her full true name. So, now, because every state in the US is different in what they allow for changes, of her five children (all adults) doing this, two match her birth cert after having them amended, and three only would allow her first italian name to be added as a middle name. So we;re all different arg. There is a trail though and Luigi thought it was very good that we were able to get two changed completely at least.
ANYwaaay, what I wanted to ask YOU is if for your big family, did the judge make an immediate decision or was it put through several reviews, etc?
Thank you Qliner. We had some name stuff in our docs but it wasn't as complicated as yours. My GGF's name was Cocco and when he became an American it changed to Cook. So all of my grandma's docs say Cook. But one of the naturalization docs for my GGF says that from that point on he would be know as Cook. Luigi said he didn't think it would be a problem and it looks like it hasn't been.
All the best,
Robert
Cocco and Cook have similarities , I can see how that can happen and how the judge could see that transformation. My mother is Alice Catherine here and we were shocked to see Francesca Luisa on her birth certificate. She does however have Alice Catherine Frances and Alice Frances on some documents so we're hoping that makes the connection for us as well as her birth date and birth parents present on some documents and those coincide with her birth certificate that has Francesca Luisa, her birth date, and parents. We can't figure out why exactly it was informally change to Alice Catherine, though we suspect baptism, but have no record of it.
Qliner wrote:ANYwaaay, what I wanted to ask YOU is if for your big family, did the judge make an immediate decision or was it put through several reviews, etc?
The Judge made an immediate decision in both trials.
Qliner wrote:Cocco and Cook have similarities , I can see how that can happen and how the judge could see that transformation. My mother is Alice Catherine here and we were shocked to see Francesca Luisa on her birth certificate. She does however have Alice Catherine Frances and Alice Frances on some documents so we're hoping that makes the connection for us as well as her birth date and birth parents present on some documents and those coincide with her birth certificate that has Francesca Luisa, her birth date, and parents. We can't figure out why exactly it was informally change to Alice Catherine, though we suspect baptism, but have no record of it.
What about your mother's marriage certificate? It may contain the names of her parents.
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