Procedures to write IT Ufficio dello Stato Civile?

[jennabet]

Donations are not necessary. Italians are not poor. Italy has come a long way since 1900 just like the United States has come a long way since 1900.

[KathyLPV]

Marty,
Amberto did die - but in WWI, not as a child. That's when & why Alberto came to the USA. That was all we ever knew about Alberto, that he had a sister in the convent in IT, and a brother who died in WWI. & we thought his name was Umberto! Notice there's 10 years between the two & Armida was born in 1877. Makes me wonder if there were other siblings, & if they died as infants or as children?
1 Amberto b 6 Aug 1869
2 Alberto - 6 Aug 1879, Prato IT
Like I said, we have documents, proof of Alberto's birth, marriage here, etc. including his name. His daughter, my husband's aunt, gave me all the documents of both her parents. That's how we knew his parent's names & where he came from. His son, my father in law, died in the 1960s, but never talked about his family.

Jennabet - Thanks for that info. But for a Church to research this OLD info, I'd gladly send a little something for their help. & as to the stato civile, the least I can do is send something for their postage. I've paid folks to do the searches in IT, so why not show my appreciation by sending a little compensation?

[liviomoreno]

... Makes me wonder if there were other siblings, & if they died as infants or as children?
1 Amberto b 6 Aug 1869
2 Alberto - 6 Aug 1879, Prato IT
...

To be precise, the baby born Aug 6 1879 was named Amberto, not Alberto.

[adelfio]

Checked that date for Amberto Vignolini b 6 Aug 1869 in Prato didn't find any birth record sure you have the right date do you have that birth record if so can you post it?

Marty

[KathyLPV]

Livio,
Thanks, the names Amberto & Alberto are close, but not the same. Many names are "close" & there are many variants to names all over Italy, my great uncle was "Umberto". Seems like Raffaele & Emilia, for some reason named all 3 of their children with names beginning with A: Amberto, Armida, & Alberto. Our daughter in law's name begins with D, she married our son, name begins with D. She named their 2 kids - on purpose - with names beginning in D! Thought it was "cute."

Marty
IF Amberto, born 1869, came to the USA in 1920, age 51, & his first child was born in 1923, he would have been 53 years old! However, for Alberto, the year is right but the actual date - 6 Aug -may have been wrong. But that doesn't mean his name wasn't Alberto, as on every Family document 1920-1930s & every census I have from 1920-1960.

I've found that the people of that era didn't celebrate their birthdays or give the precise year of birth on successive documents. Like on the tombstone of my own bisnonna, NYC has the wrong date of birth 28 November, BUT on her Baptismal Records from IT the date is 26 October! One can't be born after the Baptism! I also have census' from 1900 to 1940 of my family, where on every successive census - they lost a few years; i.e. in 1900 the age was given as 27, & on the next census their age was 34 instead of 37.

So, thanks Marty, for all the searching, the questions, & the finds, but trust me. We know there were 2 sons & 1 daughter VIGNOLINI. We know Alberto was the younger son. If he isn't found on that exact date, it doesn't mean he was born 10 years earlier. It's possible that he gave his kids the wrong day & month. After all, he came over as crew of a ship & "jumped ship." I've seen that paper, sadly it was lost.
KELPV

[adelfio]

There is no birth index for 1869 for Prato on antenati so without a birthdate you would have to look page by page
PG LINK OF BIRTH INDEXES
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ti+indice/

Marty

[KathyLPV]

Marty,
Thanks. I've tried looking page by page. It's a Pain-in-a-neck!!! Because every town, every year has a gazillion pages to look through! AGUH. And, to really see the names, you have to enlarge the page - big time. You'd have to work only on that for months on end - 24/7!

That's why I'm so amazed that the folks on IT Gen found: 1st the baptism of my bisnonna, [gave me a corrected DOB from what's on her tombstone]; & her marriage too!; 2nd you & Livio found other elusive bisnonni, Francesco, AND my husband's Grandfather's siblings! AND all of you folks did it so fast! I gave up after looking through one page of those many records! I didn't even get through half of January!
I also went to antenati, to the town each elusive bisnonni lived in; typed in their given & cogname. But they all came back as "non resultiamo." Frustrating! You need a date to find someone, yet that's what you looking for.

So, I started this post asking for officials addresses. Now, I can start writing each town for that info. BUT, Thanks to all here, Now I have So Much More Data to Send them! I can't thank folks at Italiangenealogy enough.

P.S. Anyone reading this who wonders about your family - PLEASE - Ask anyone still alive who knows names, dates, places, stories of your ancestors - Do it Now; Write it down, & Save it. You never know when there will be no family member left, that knows. I am there now, wishing I asked.

[KathyLPV]

Marty, Livio,
Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa!

I just realized on the birth record of Amberto Vignolini, the date, "milleottocentosettant nove" is 1879; NOT 1869! In Italian the number 60 is sessanta, & # 7o is settanta. That means there's still no brother found. Still, I got other info from the sister, new names, etc. though it's blurry & hard to read. I thank you both for that & all the other items you found for me.

SO, Amberto v Alberto must have changed his name, somewhere along the line, probably once he decided to come to the USA. That's the name on the ship he came on, as the cook.
So I'm offering you a big apology, Marty.
Kathy LPV

[KathyLPV]

Glad to finally be back in, problem w/my password, email addy?
OPPS - See my New Post:" 's what happens when you listen to the Family "Stories" told . . ."

[KathyLPV]

Ciao Marty, Liveo & Jennabet,
VIGNOLINI siblings finally solved! I went to the NYC Municipal Archives with my daughter. She was looking for "Alberto" [aka Amberto} VIGNOLINI. Just happened that a "pro" genealogist was there & helped her find an "Alien Case file" ca 1941 under his US name, Alberto. So, I sent for them [to Kansas w/a fee].
Voilà! It had his "living relative" as Gustavo VIGNOLINI. No wonder I didn't find him in the Tuscany WWI Deaths. Alberto told all that he came here After WWI, [1920] because he "saw his brother die" in a battle. So, either Why say that OR did he have another brother? And who is Umberto VIGNOLINI who is on the 1905 NY State Census? C/b the "other brother" who returned to IT? But Albert only told of 2 siblings, Armida & a brother. C/b a cousin? I've found several VIGNOLINI's in Prato on other sites, since this run. Some had names on those documents you sent me to, but no DOB on any & no links. So maybe in another 3 years? <G>
And, on that document he also says that he came in 1910, Not 1920 as he told his family. Oh the tall tales they weave. Any ole who. Mille Grazie e vada con dio a tutti . . . K Lo PINTO VIGNOLINI