Death record translation help please

[brogie62]

And I have a quick question if any of you know. ...so Maddalena Gobber was born in a part of Italy that was at the time in Austria and ruled by the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Would her family heritage be Austrian or Italian?

-Lynda

I have learned over the years that borders are only helpful for determining where to look for records. Otherwise they are transient things and don’t really determine who a person was.

[AngelaGrace56]

Ok thank you. I'll have to try to remember that. I'm sure I have a few dates wrong. I've barely learned to read the date of the record and the parents names and places of birth. (I can kind of pick out the important things) It's a real challenge, but I'm finding I don't have to look up every single date now.

-Lynda

Well you are doing great. Feel free to post any records that you have translated and are not sure about. We don't mind reading over them to reassure you that you have interpreted them correctly.

Re the date the event (death, birth etc) took place here are some other words/phrases you "might" see:

Corrente: current so the current day
oggi soprascritto giorno: today, as written above
suddetto: above said
detto: said

avant'ieri – the day before yesterday
l'altro ieri: (literally the other yesterday) the day before yesterday

There are others but the first four I have written here would be the main ones you may see.

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

And I have a quick question if any of you know. ...so Maddalena Gobber was born in a part of Italy that was at the time in Austria and ruled by the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Would her family heritage be Austrian or Italian?

-Lynda

I have learned over the years that borders are only helpful for determining where to look for records. Otherwise they are transient things and don’t really determine who a person was.

I agree with brogie62. My parents were both born in Italia, and I was born years after they immigrated and I certainly call myself Italian, as do my children who were also born outside of Italia. The Italian heritage is very strong with each of my children.

Angela

[lmarsango]

The reason I asked is my daughter's dna shows quite a bit of Austrian and Hungarian as well as a little Slovenian and Romanian for example. I can only assume that her Italian side is where this is coming from.

[brogie62]

The reason I asked is my daughter's dna shows quite a bit of Austrian and Hungarian as well as a little Slovenian and Romanian for example. I can only assume that her Italian side is where this is coming from.

Take those geographic estimates from autosomal DNA with a very large grain of salt. They are very rough estimates and only trustworthy when considering very homogeneous populations over time. Those that have seen a lot of migration are not very accurate. The pool of individuals that are used to ‘train’ those models is very small.

[AngelaGrace56]

The reason I asked is my daughter's dna shows quite a bit of Austrian and Hungarian as well as a little Slovenian and Romanian for example. I can only assume that her Italian side is where this is coming from.

There's also your daughter's father's dna to consider - has he had his dna tested? Did you have the Dna tested with Ancestry or somewhere else?

A

[lmarsango]

The reason I asked is my daughter's dna shows quite a bit of Austrian and Hungarian as well as a little Slovenian and Romanian for example. I can only assume that her Italian side is where this is coming from.

There's also your daughter's father's dna to consider - has he had his dna tested? Did you have the Dna tested with Ancestry or somewhere else?

A

This is dna from my daughter's father's side. I have a very extensive tree on both my maternal and paternal sides as well as her father's mother's sides. Yes we did it with ancestry (and I did mine also) and have uploaded to Gedmatch as well as the other sites. Gedmatch has more detailed options. And yes I realize this dna stuff is not an exact science by any means, although mine was right on with what I know on my sides and is very accurate on her paternal mothers sides. We both have lots of dna matches although nothing on her paternal father's side so far.

[lmarsango]

My daughter's father's father is the Italian side. (Marsango, Baldissera, Funario, Gobber, Pellin, Zanella)

[lmarsango]

On a side note... I just messaged someone on MyHeritage who has a large tree on the Gobbers. He responded right away and said he has lots of records from my line of Gobbers to share with me. Woohoo I feel like I hit the jackpot!

-Lynda

[AngelaGrace56]

Thanks for getting back to me, Lynda. That's so exciting that you have managed to link with someone on My Heritage re your Gobbers line. All the best with that. It does sound like you've hit the jackpot! I would be interested to learn where the name originated?

I also had my DNA tested with Ancestry and there were absolutely no surprises from the results. I've never uploaded my results anywhere else, have considered Gedmatch, but am just a little cautious to do this. I began with about 40 close matches when first tested and now have well over 100. I did contact a woman who was predicted to be a third cousin to ask her about her roots. It turned out that it was her husbands tree. Low and behold his roots were in the same birth town as my father. She shared her tree with me but she'd only gone back so far. I decided to just focus on my father's mother's surname which appeared in her husband's tree, and learned that we shared a 4xGr8 nonno. I'm sure that when I do some more work, backwards, on his tree, that there will be a closer connection.

My children haven't had their DNA tested, only one is keen, but he is currently studying overseas. I'd rather he was tested when he returns home next year. I find it all really fascinating.

What an interesting thread this has become.....

Angela

[lmarsango]

The interesting thing is my daughter has almost 2,000 4th-6th cousin matches or closer (crazy I know) on Ancestry and I have pretty much matched them to either my sides or her paternal Grandmothers sides. Nothing on her paternal Grandfather (the Italian side) so far. It's been a daunting task to say the least. My Mother's sides are big into genealogy as well as her paternal Grandmother's sides with very large families and lots of info. It really helped that I did my dna also.

So I decided it was time to expand on her paternal Grandfathers tree...and well here I am. I didn't know there were any Italian records online nor did I want to even think about trying to read them. Haha!! But I'm doing it with all the help here. Her great Grandfather died in a coal mining accident here in the states and his wife took their young boys and returned to Italy where they were raised. They came back when they became adults since they were all born here and were U.S. citizens. His (GGrandpa) U.S. death record had his mother's name as Baldesore Barbari and I didn't discover until recently when I found their marriage record that her name was Barbara Baldissera.

-Lynda

[AngelaGrace56]

2000 matches! That's impressive. It sounds like you have a very interesting family history. Thanks for sharing. I'll go check out that surname Beccabo and see if I can find it anywhere.

Angela

[lmarsango]

Thank you!

-Lynda

[mmogno]

I'll go check out that surname Beccabo and see if I can find it anywhere.

@Angela
Beccabò = Becca bò = Punge il bue = nome popolare del Biancospino

https://screenshots.firefox.com/6uctNBWktMToTSqG/null

Biancospino
Crataegus oxyacantha L.
Rosacee

Etimologia
Dal greco kràtaigos = forza e robustezza, oxy = punta e akantha =spina.
Nomi dialettali e sinonimi
Azzaruolo selvatico, acanta da siepi, spino alba, prunò bianco, russulidda, spinazzo, cerasedda, pignatine, pom d ‘la Madona, spinapolice, calavrign, russuliddu, brissulin, prisset, cagaboi, azarolo selvatico, spin giancu, beccabò, glog, bagaboi, spina pedice, boce, bucciu, bruzzulino, ciprauno, bruscolino, pettaro, calavughe, brussarina, spinapùlici, pappa de volp, spinapuci, paroliner, spin blanc.
Fr.: aubèpin - Sp.: espino albar - Td.: veissdorn – Ing.: hawthorn

[AngelaGrace56]

I'll go check out that surname Beccabo and see if I can find it anywhere.

@Angela
Beccabò = Becca bò = Punge il bue = nome popolare del Biancospino

https://screenshots.firefox.com/6uctNBWktMToTSqG/null

Biancospino
Crataegus oxyacantha L.
Rosacee

Etimologia
Dal greco kràtaigos = forza e robustezza, oxy = punta e akantha =spina.
Nomi dialettali e sinonimi
Azzaruolo selvatico, acanta da siepi, spino alba, prunò bianco, russulidda, spinazzo, cerasedda, pignatine, pom d ‘la Madona, spinapolice, calavrign, russuliddu, brissulin, prisset, cagaboi, azarolo selvatico, spin giancu, beccabò, glog, bagaboi, spina pedice, boce, bucciu, bruzzulino, ciprauno, bruscolino, pettaro, calavughe, brussarina, spinapùlici, pappa de volp, spinapuci, paroliner, spin blanc.
Fr.: aubèpin - Sp.: espino albar - Td.: veissdorn – Ing.: hawthorn

This is so interesting. You are very good at this. Thank you, m.

Angela