Merry Christmas Y'all! I've been away for a while---I used to log-in as nickintexas, but life has been happening and lots of changes going on so, it was just easier to start fresh with a new account and e-mail......
I'm getting settled back in and restarting my hunt. I've found a marriage record for my Great Grandparents, Carmino/Carmine Andreola and Maria Filomena/Filomena Maria Simone. I've tried to figure it out without bothering y'all but I'm all twisted up and would really appreciate some help!
This is the link to the first page of the series. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043436
Unfortunately, family search requires a log-in to view images now. If necessary, I can screen shot and post them but viewing there gives good pan & zoom ability.
What I think I know so far:
Something (actual marriage?) happened July 15, 1872/something else in September/something else in October
The mayor on the first pages is Michele Simone/later pages G. Fratta
Carmino/Carmine was born in 1849-the minor child of Giovanni Andreola and the now deceased Archangela/Archangiola Niro
I haven't been able to isolate a birth date for Maria Filomena/Filomena Maria Simone.....
I ....think... her parents are Nicola Maria Simone & Maria Michela Venditti and Maria Michela's father is Agostino Venditti....?
I can't understand the ?Largo? ?Frego? Andreola seen....?
I apologize for being obtuse and throwing in the towel...but my head is spinning and my eyes are bleeding and any insight would be a blessing!
Mille Grazie!
Nick
Marriage Record HELP
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NickAndreola
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Re: Marriage Record HELP
Carmine Andreola was born in Casalvecchio di Puglia on Jun 10th, 1849, the son of ... (father's name is not mentioned in the certificate, probably by mistake), 28 years old, well-off, and of Arcangela Niro.
Maria Filomena Simone was born in Casalvecchio on Jul 15th, 1853, the daughter of Nicola Maria Simone, 28 years old, property-owner, living in Casalvecchio at Largo (a small square) Andreola (the same as Carmine's name; maybe it was then, or before, a property of the Andreola's) and of Maria Michela Venditti 26 years old,
Banns were posted on Sep 29th and Oct 6th, 1872, no date of marriage is given.
Banns say that Carmine was the son of living Giovanni and deceased Arcangela Niro; Maria Filomena's parents were both deceased.
Maria Filomena Simone was born in Casalvecchio on Jul 15th, 1853, the daughter of Nicola Maria Simone, 28 years old, property-owner, living in Casalvecchio at Largo (a small square) Andreola (the same as Carmine's name; maybe it was then, or before, a property of the Andreola's) and of Maria Michela Venditti 26 years old,
Banns were posted on Sep 29th and Oct 6th, 1872, no date of marriage is given.
Banns say that Carmine was the son of living Giovanni and deceased Arcangela Niro; Maria Filomena's parents were both deceased.
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Re: Marriage Record HELP
Then, there are the death certificates of Maria Filomena's parents and grandparents:
Nicola Maria Simone passed away on Sep 19th, 1855. He was 45, born and residing in Casalvecchio, the son of Giuseppantonio, and Antonia Gossani (?), both deceased.
Giuseppantonio Simone died on Aug 22nd, 1837. He was 36, a peasant, the son of Michele and Carmina Tosches, both deceased, husband of Antonia Rossani.
Here, there must be some mistake, as Giuseppantonio would be born in abt 1801, and Nicola in 1810...
Antonia Rossani died on May 4th, 1871. She was 69, a peasant, born and residing in Casalvecchio, daughter of Agostino and Pulcheria Brunetti, both deceased.
Maria Michela Venditti died on Feb 8th, 1871. She was 37, a housewife, born and residing in Casalvecchio, daughter of Agostino and Antonia Longo.
Agostino Venditti died on May 15th, 1871. He was 59, a property-owner, born and residing in Casalvecchio, son of the deceased Giuseppantonio and Arcangela Criosia (?).
Nicola Maria Simone passed away on Sep 19th, 1855. He was 45, born and residing in Casalvecchio, the son of Giuseppantonio, and Antonia Gossani (?), both deceased.
Giuseppantonio Simone died on Aug 22nd, 1837. He was 36, a peasant, the son of Michele and Carmina Tosches, both deceased, husband of Antonia Rossani.
Here, there must be some mistake, as Giuseppantonio would be born in abt 1801, and Nicola in 1810...
Antonia Rossani died on May 4th, 1871. She was 69, a peasant, born and residing in Casalvecchio, daughter of Agostino and Pulcheria Brunetti, both deceased.
Maria Michela Venditti died on Feb 8th, 1871. She was 37, a housewife, born and residing in Casalvecchio, daughter of Agostino and Antonia Longo.
Agostino Venditti died on May 15th, 1871. He was 59, a property-owner, born and residing in Casalvecchio, son of the deceased Giuseppantonio and Arcangela Criosia (?).
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Re: Marriage Record HELP
Thanks PippoM!
This one was among the most confusing I've tried to navigate. What you've clarified helps reinforce other information found.
The transcribed birth record (don't have/haven't seen original yet) has Carmine/Carmino listed as CarminA (female) born 10 Jun 1849---This MUST be him!
I know the marriage date of Giovanni and Archangela/Archangiola Niro (23 Jan 1848) and of Giovanni's 2nd marriage after Archangela died (25 Feb 1854) and of 2 other children born in those 6 years and I wasn't sure there could be a 4th child.
Just saw your other post
Archangela Criasia is a common family name.
Antonia Rossacci is another
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This one was among the most confusing I've tried to navigate. What you've clarified helps reinforce other information found.
The transcribed birth record (don't have/haven't seen original yet) has Carmine/Carmino listed as CarminA (female) born 10 Jun 1849---This MUST be him!
I know the marriage date of Giovanni and Archangela/Archangiola Niro (23 Jan 1848) and of Giovanni's 2nd marriage after Archangela died (25 Feb 1854) and of 2 other children born in those 6 years and I wasn't sure there could be a 4th child.
Just saw your other post
Archangela Criasia is a common family name.
Antonia Rossacci is another
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Marriage Record HELP
Nicola Maria Simone was born 08 Dec 1827 and must have died ~ 1871/1872 to be 45 years old
(His parents are correct)
The youngest known child of Nicola Maria Simone and Maria Michela Venditti was born 22 Mar 1865
Name Giuseppeantonio Simone
Birth Date 1796
Birthplace Casalvecchio
Age 29
Spouse's Name Antonia Rossacci
Spouse's Birth Date 1802
Spouse's Birthplace Casalvecchio
Spouse's Age 23
Event Date 09 Jun 1825
Event Place Civile, Casalvecchio Di Puglia, Foggia, Italy
Father's Name Michele Simone
Mother's Name Carmina Tosches
Spouse's Father's Name Agostino Rossacci
Spouse's Mother's Name Pulcheria Brunetti
(His parents are correct)
The youngest known child of Nicola Maria Simone and Maria Michela Venditti was born 22 Mar 1865
Name Giuseppeantonio Simone
Birth Date 1796
Birthplace Casalvecchio
Age 29
Spouse's Name Antonia Rossacci
Spouse's Birth Date 1802
Spouse's Birthplace Casalvecchio
Spouse's Age 23
Event Date 09 Jun 1825
Event Place Civile, Casalvecchio Di Puglia, Foggia, Italy
Father's Name Michele Simone
Mother's Name Carmina Tosches
Spouse's Father's Name Agostino Rossacci
Spouse's Mother's Name Pulcheria Brunetti
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Oh, I made a mistake!! Nicola died in 1872. 55 was the record #
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Re: Marriage Record HELP
That definitely makes more sense! Thanks again for the help.
