Is this the same Vincenzo Cascio

[rp76226]

Is this the same Vincenzo Cascio:

I am trying to determine if the 1823 death record that I found for Vincenzo Cascio is the same person as the Vincenzo Cascio in page 3, point # 6 of his granddaughter's (Anna Maria Cascio) marriage record. The father of the granddaughter and son of Vincenzo Cascio,Giuseppe Cascio, died May 10 1831 and was married to Maria Gandolfa Scarpa (before 1820 – no civil records exist). Parents are not given in the 1831 death record for Giuseppe Cascio. Here are the links to these records:

Vincenzo Cascio 1823 death record (# 75 right hand side of page):

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Anna Maria Cascio 1843 Marriage Record Pages 2-3:

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... 3.jpg.html

Giuseppe Cascio 1831 death record – on right side of the page (Cascio names appearing are witnesses, not necessarily family):

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The two Cascio individuals in the record are not stated to be the parents of Giuseppe. They are witnesses who did not know how to write. The record states that the death act was inserted in two registers in the presence of the witnesses. The first, Gandolfo lo Cascio, age 60, was a peasant living in the district of Sant'Angelo. The second lo Cascio (first name looks like Iluminato), age 34, was also a peasant living there. The record states that the town official received notice of Giuseppe's death. I don't see any parents' names given in the record. We know that this is the right person because his widow remarried in 1834 and the Allegati records mentioned that her first husband was Giuseppe Cascio who died May 10, 1831.

[bbivona]

It appears that they are the same individual. The allegati have some really good info.

Vincenzo Cascio death, 1823, included in the allegati for Anna Maria's marriage.
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

Anna Maria Cascio birth record.
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

Several other documents are there that would likely be useful for you.

[rp76226]

I know that Allegati records can be very useful, but not being fluent in Italian, I find Allegati records impossible to navigate, especially since there are no indexes. I just know or have written down a few key words, months, and numbers in Italian with their English translations which normally are found on birth, marriage, and death records. This doesn't work well for Allegati records.

Let me see if I can figure out what you sent me.

On Vincenzo Cascio, it appears to be another death record that agrees with the death record that I have.

On Maria Scarpa, this record you gave me was created on January 13, 1826 and seems to be for the birth of her daughter Anna Maria. Maria Scarpa was 20 years old. It mentions her husband's name as Giuseppe Cascio and her parents as Santo Scarpa and Gandolfa Pantino?. The father matches but the mother should be Rosaria Prima per her 1843 promise to marriage record (document #42) to Ignazio Termini. Or is this part the witness section.

Taken together, how did you come to the conclusion that the Vincenzo Cascio mentioned in the granddaughter's marriage record that I submitted is the same Vincenzo Cascio as the 1823 death record for Vincenzo Cascio? I do not see a common link yet, which likely, if it exists, would be a link to Giuseppe Cascio.

[rp76226]

Re-reading what you said, I apparently paid too much attention to the actual death record in the Allegati that you provided and missed your preface that it was included in Anna Maria Cascio's marriage. therefore, since the Allegati death record matched the civil death record that I had found, this is the same Vincenzo Cascio in both places. Thank you.

Ron

[bbivona]

You seemed to have a good comprehension of the other documents, so I didn’t realize translation was an issue. Here is translation of the key info in the extract of the death record of Vincenzo Cascio in the allegati for Anna Maria’s marriage:
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

#75
April 16, 1823 at comune offices in Polizzi witnesses declared that at on that day in his home, Vincenzo Cascio, widower of Maria, died, age 68, born in Polizzi, farmer, domiciled in the Sant’Orsola neighborhood, son of deceased Paolo, farmer, and of deceased Rosalia Farella.

Then extract of the birth record for Anna Maria Cascio
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

#6
On January 13, 1826 at comune offices in Polizzi, appeared Giuseppe Cascio, age 27, farmer, domiciled in Polizzi in the Sant’Orsola neighborhood, who presented a female child and declared that it was born of Maria Scarpa, age 20, his wife who is domiciled with him, and of the declarant. The birth occurred on January 13, 1826 at noon in their home. The child was given the name of Anna Maria.

On the following page it states that she Anna Maria Lo Cascio was baptized on January 13, 1826 in Sant’Orsola Church.

The marriage record for Domenico Cascio and Anna Maria Cascio
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

#29
On July 3, 1843 at comune offices in Polizzi appeared:

Domenico Cascio, a single man, age 28, born in Polizzi, farmer, domiciled in Polizzi, son of Vincenzo, domiciled here, age 65, farmer, and of Rosaria Signorello, age 60 and

Anna Maria Cascio, a single woman, age 17, born in Polizzi, domiciled in Polizzi, daughter of deceased Giuseppe Cascio and of deceased Maria Scarpa

Who have requested to be married. Documents recorded with this include:
Extract of the birth record of the groom
Extract of the birth record of the bride
The notification of the intent to marry and of no opposition
Extract of the death record of Giuseppe Cascio, father of the bride
Extract of the death of Maria Prima Scarpa, mother of the bride
Extract of the death of Vincenzo Cascio, paternal grandfather of the bride
The consent of the family of the bride to marry

Extract of death record of Giuseppe Cascio
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

#43
May 12, 1831, officials of the comune of Polizzi received news of the death of Giuseppe Cascio, son of deceased Vincenzo Cascio, age 33, farmer, domiciled in Polizzi in the Sant’Orsola neighborhood, which was believed to have occurred about 4 a.m. on May 10. Recorded in the presence of Gandolfo Cascio, age 60, farmer, living in the Sant’Orsola neighborhood, and Illuminato Cascio, age 34, farmer, domiciled in the same place.

The extract of the death record of Maria Prima Scarpa
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

#14
On February 9, 1839. Witnesses appeared at comune offices in Polizzi and declared that on February 9, 1839 at 10 a.m., Maria Prima Scarpa, died, wife of Gan-_____, age 41, born in Polizzi, farmer, domiciled in the Sant’Orsola neighborhood, daughter of deceased Santo Scarpa, farmer, and of deceased Rosaria Scarpa.

Consent of the family
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

July 2, 1843, before presiding judge, the matter Anna Maria Cascio, daughter of deceased Giuseppe Cascio and Maria Scarpa, age 17, domiciled in Polizzi. Relatives appeared before the court who requests their consent for her to contract marriage.

Paternal relatives
Pietro Zaffò, son of deceased Salvadore, Biaggio Cascio, son of Liborio Cascio, and Giuseppe ____ Lo Re, son of deceased Gioacchino, all of this comune

Maternal relatives
Lusciano Badagliacca, son of deceased Tommaso, Maestro Vincenzo Badagliacca, son of Luciano, Mastro Ignazio Scileppi, son of Maestro Giovanni Scileppi, all of this comune.

This family council appeared due to the request of the said Anna Maria Cascio to marry Domenico Cascio, son of Vincenzo of this comune, which cannot be carried out without the consent of a family council. The judge, after deliberating with the relatives of Anna Maria Cascio on the advantages to her and hearing their approval gave consent.

[AngelaGrace56]

You seemed to have a good comprehension of the other documents, so I didn’t realize translation was an issue. Here is translation of the key info in the extract of the death record of Vincenzo Cascio in the allegati for Anna Maria’s marriage:
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

#75
April 16, 1823 at comune offices in Polizzi witnesses declared that at on that day in his home, Vincenzo Cascio, widower of Maria, died, age 68, born in Polizzi, farmer, domiciled in the Sant’Orsola neighborhood, son of deceased Paolo, farmer, and of deceased Rosalia Farella.

Then extract of the birth record for Anna Maria Cascio
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

#6
On January 13, 1826 at comune offices in Polizzi, appeared Giuseppe Cascio, age 27, farmer, domiciled in Polizzi in the Sant’Orsola neighborhood, who presented a female child and declared that it was born of Maria Scarpa, age 20, his wife who is domiciled with him, and of the declarant. The birth occurred on January 13, 1826 at noon in their home. The child was given the name of Anna Maria.

On the following page it states that she Anna Maria Lo Cascio was baptized on January 13, 1826 in Sant’Orsola Church.

The marriage record for Domenico Cascio and Anna Maria Cascio
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

#29
On July 3, 1843 at comune offices in Polizzi appeared:

Domenico Cascio, a single man, age 28, born in Polizzi, farmer, domiciled in Polizzi, son of Vincenzo, domiciled here, age 65, farmer, and of Rosaria Signorello, age 60 and

Anna Maria Cascio, a single woman, age 17, born in Polizzi, domiciled in Polizzi, daughter of deceased Giuseppe Cascio and of deceased Maria Scarpa

Who have requested to be married. Documents recorded with this include:
Extract of the birth record of the groom
Extract of the birth record of the bride
The notification of the intent to marry and of no opposition
Extract of the death record of Giuseppe Cascio, father of the bride
Extract of the death of Maria Prima Scarpa, mother of the bride
Extract of the death of Vincenzo Cascio, paternal grandfather of the bride
The consent of the family of the bride to marry

Extract of death record of Giuseppe Cascio
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

#43
May 12, 1831, officials of the comune of Polizzi received news of the death of Giuseppe Cascio, son of deceased Vincenzo Cascio, age 33, farmer, domiciled in Polizzi in the Sant’Orsola neighborhood, which was believed to have occurred about 4 a.m. on May 10. Recorded in the presence of Gandolfo Cascio, age 60, farmer, living in the Sant’Orsola neighborhood, and Illuminato Cascio, age 34, farmer, domiciled in the same place.

The extract of the death record of Maria Prima Scarpa
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

#14
On February 9, 1839. Witnesses appeared at comune offices in Polizzi and declared that on February 9, 1839 at 10 a.m., Maria Prima Scarpa, died, wife of Gandolfo Termine, age 41, born in Polizzi, farmer, domiciled in the Sant’Orsola neighborhood, daughter of deceased Santo Scarpa, farmer, and of deceased Rosaria Scarpa.

Consent of the family
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

July 2, 1843, before presiding judge, the matter Anna Maria Cascio, daughter of deceased Giuseppe Cascio and Maria Scarpa, age 17, domiciled in Polizzi. Relatives appeared before the court who requests their consent for her to contract marriage.

Paternal relatives
Pietro Zaffò, son of deceased Salvadore, Biaggio Cascio, son of Liborio Cascio, and Giuseppe Antonio Lo Re, son of deceased Gioachino, all of this comune

Maternal relatives
Lusciano Badagliacca, son of deceased Tommaso, Maestro Vincenzo Badagliacca, son of Luciano, Mastro Ignazio Scileppi, son of deceased Maestro Giovanni Scileppi, all of this comune.

This family council appeared due to the request of the said Anna Maria Cascio to marry Domenico Cascio, son of Vincenzo of this comune, which cannot be carried out without the consent of a family council. The judge, after deliberating with the relatives of Anna Maria Cascio on the advantages to her and hearing their approval gave consent.

Original Death Act of Maria Prima Scarpa shows husband's name is Gandolfo Termine
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

Great work, bbivona!!!

Angela

[bbivona]

Thanks. On the family consent, maternal relatives, the first one should be Luciano Badagliacca. I inadvertently added an "s" on the original.

[rp76226]

Thank you very much!!

Ron