translation of lista di leva note

[nrepole]

Hi everyone!
Just hoping to get a translation of information on my relative's lista di leva military record.
He returned to Italy sometime before 1910.

Kind regards
Nick

[AngelaGrace56]

Hi Nick

I've just focussed on the writing within the red circle. It will probably need some tweaking.

Reduce da New York n’e presentato spontaneamente.
Abile arruoluto in 1º category.
Non aspira ad esenzione.
Denunzia in all’Autorita Giudiziaria per l’ammissione all’amnistia concesso con R. Decreto 19 May 1910. N.241


This is what I'm understanding:

He returned from New York and spontaneously presented himself.
Skilled. Enlisted in First category.
He does not aspire to exemption. (I think it means that he does not qualify for exemption?)
Complaint to the Judicial Authority for admission to the amnesty granted by Royal Decree on 19 May 1910. N.241.

Let us know if you need help with the rest of record.

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Physical Features:

Height: 1,69 1/2
Chest: 0,88
Hair: Brown and straight
Eyes: Brown
Skin Colour: Brown
Teeth: Healthy
Particular Signs: Scar on the forehead

Angela

[mmogno]

1114 1 Sett 7 (?) Rimandato suppletiva 29 Luglio 908 && 376 leva estero
2141 29-7-08 Rimandato alla seduta 1° dicembre 1908, & 376 istruz. leva estero
3032 1°-12-908 Dichiarato renitente
2033 14-6-910 Reduce da New York si è presentato spontaneamente. Abile, arruolato in 1º categ(oria). Non aspira ad esenzione. Denunziarsi all’Autorita Giudiziaria per l’ammissione all’amnistia concessa con R. Decreto 19 Maggio 1910 n. 241


This is what I'm understanding:

He returned from New York and spontaneously presented himself.
Skilled. Enlisted in First category.
He does not aspire to exemption. (I think it means that he does not qualify for exemption?)
Complaint to the Judicial Authority for admission to the amnesty granted by Royal Decree on 19 May 1910. N.241.

Angela

[nrepole]

Many thanks to Angela and mmogno!! Yes, I was primarily focusing on the writing within red circle.
Sorry to bother again, but what do you think is meant by the note:
"Complaint to the Judicial Authority for admission to the amnesty granted by Royal Decree on 19 May 1910. N.241."?
Was my relative trying to avoid service and asking for amnesty??

Best regards
Nick

[cedrone]

Hi Nick.
I don't know the details, but there were special rules for the soldiers willing to emigrate, they could be exempted from service or called back to Italy if necessary.
I understand that this person had to present himself on December 1908, but he didn't, so he had to be prosecuted.

[cedrone]

But in 1910 that Royal Decree gave an amnesty for certain military infractions, so, after he came back and presented himself, the competent Military Court was informed to apply the amnesty.
Where it is said 'he did not ask exemption' seems perhaps he could ask (perhaps going again abroad?), but he did not ask, so it seems he began his military service after that moment (1910).

[AngelaGrace56]

1114 1 Sett 7 (?) Rimandato suppletiva 29 Luglio 908 && 376 leva estero
2141 29-7-08 Rimandato alla seduta 1° dicembre 1908, & 376 istruz. leva estero
3032 1°-12-908 Dichiarato renitente
2033 14-6-910 Reduce da New York si è presentato spontaneamente. Abile, arruolato in 1º categ(oria). Non aspira ad esenzione. Denunziarsi all’Autorita Giudiziaria per l’ammissione all’amnistia concessa con R. Decreto 19 Maggio 1910 n. 241
Angela

Thank you for the tidy-up work on my transcription, G.

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

But in 1910 that Royal Decree gave an amnesty for certain military infractions, so, after he came back and presented himself, the competent Military Court was informed to apply the amnesty.
Where it is said 'he did not ask exemption' seems perhaps he could ask (perhaps going again abroad?), but he did not ask, so it seems he began his military service after that moment (1910).

@cedrone

It's interesting what you have said here. I didn't know how to interpret "Non aspira ad esenzione." My son happened to be working from my home on that day. His English is outstanding (unlike mine), so I mentioned the document to him, and the English word "aspire" (aspira). He basically interpreted the sentence exactly as you have. (I should've listened to him. Live and learn - especially from your children.)

Angela

[cedrone]

Salve, Angela.
'Aspirare' in Italian has different meanings, I tried with a translator to English and from the various results the better for this sentence is 'hope for'.
I interpret that the official writing the note wanted to say simply that the
soldier did not apply for any kind of exemption (independently from the fact that he could have a reason to do it or not).

[nrepole]

Thank you cedrone and Angela. Very interesting information.

Best wishes to you
Nick

[mmogno]

....
Non aspira ad esenzione.
Denunziarsi all’Autorita Giudiziaria per l’ammissione all’amnistia concesso con R. Decreto 19 May 1910. N.241
....
Angela

@AngelaGrace56
E' una condizione per ottenere l'amnistia prevista dal RD 241 (art. 2, comma c).
Vedi pag.7 della Gazzetta Ufficiale 117 del 19.05.1910.
https://www.gazzettaufficiale.it/eli/gu ... 117/sg/pdf

[AngelaGrace56]

Salve, Angela.
'Aspirare' in Italian has different meanings, I tried with a translator to English and from the various results the better for this sentence is 'hope for'.
I interpret that the official writing the note wanted to say simply that the
soldier did not apply for any kind of exemption (independently from the fact that he could have a reason to do it or not).

Thank you, cedrone. You explained it well. This is what I understood when I read your previous comment.

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Thank you cedrone and Angela. Very interesting information.

Best wishes to you
Nick

Happy to help, Nick.

Best to you too.

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

....
Non aspira ad esenzione.
Denunziarsi all’Autorita Giudiziaria per l’ammissione all’amnistia concesso con R. Decreto 19 May 1910. N.241
....
Angela

@AngelaGrace56
E' una condizione per ottenere l'amnistia prevista dal RD 241 (art. 2, comma c).
Vedi pag.7 della Gazzetta Ufficiale 117 del 19.05.1910.
https://www.gazzettaufficiale.it/eli/gu ... 117/sg/pdf

Okay. Thank you again, G.

Angela